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In Reply to: Some of my favorite review quotes were... posted by sjb on April 7, 2007 at 14:28:09:
>I didn't really think it was all that homo-erotic but your statement "... but show a little male flesh and it's homoerotic" is - considering the fetishization of the Spartans' maleness and their look and costumes - a bit disingenuous.How on earth is it disingenuous? i don't see them as "fetishized." Funny I never heard anyone say that about the actual artwork by the Greeks themselves that inspired their look in the film. Why do you suppose that is?
>The idea that the film-makers dressed them like they did
As per frank Miller's designs.
> (and had them get buffed up like they did)
As one would find in just about any comic book.
> without having a sense of that potential is a little silly to me.
One thing we didn't do was worry about every weird interpretation audiences might have. If film makers worry about political correctness to that degree they ultimately put out plain vanilla forgetable films.>And, intentional or not Xerxes did come across like a big (literally and figuratively) queen. I don't know how anyone involved with the film wouldn't have noticed that immediately.
I guess we just weren't carrying the same baggage us those who saw Xerxes as gay. I mean this is a movie that has been called gay and facist in the same sentence. Go figure.
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"As per frank Miller's designs""As one would find in just about any comic book."
My point wasn't about where the look came from just it's surprising to me that in creating, filming, editing and presenting that look it wasn't anticipated that some people would see it as homo-erotic.
I'm not one of those people but it's (very) easy to see why it could be perceived that way.
And one needn't have any baggage to see Xerxes as queeny. The performance/presentation/voice manipulation kind of speaks for itself. Not saying it was intended but I mean... come on.
By the way... nice work on the film... it is a visual feast. I see you worked on the original Jackass. Do you know Lance Bangs and Spike J.? I do a lot of editing for each of them.
Don't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining.
Not, however, any of my gay friends who saw it. Seems to me it's mostly str8 dudes who concern themselves with that dubious aspect.clark
> And one needn't have any baggage to see Xerxes as queeny. The performance/presentation/voice manipulation kind of speaks for itself. Not saying it was intended but I mean... come on."Queeny" is that the same as gay? We think we just disagree on this one. But hey, i'm a Bowie fan and never assumed he was gay by his theatrics. I think the baggage is there and comes with an either/or mind set. And perhaps we were quite naive in ignoring the fat that many people have such baggage. Well, no. I suppose we just didn't care. But no one I know at the time ever even raised an eyebrow. Maybe everyone was just more caught up in the transformation.
> By the way... nice work on the film... it is a visual feast.Thank you. Much appreciated.
> I see you worked on the original Jackass. Do you know Lance Bangs and Spike J.? I do a lot of editing for each of them.
I don't know them personally. I was on Jackass only for one weekend for the old age makeups. I never felt it warrented credit. I have worked far more extensively on other films without getting credit like the first Pirates of the Caribean movie. I feel like I sold my soul when I worked on Jackass. Truth be told, the movie cracked me up. A very very very guilty pleasure.
Do you think this film will be remembered in 6 months?
Here it's being seen as funny and almost certainly a candyfloss film that will be forgotten about.
And as for the abdominal showmen...
Does the film really have "ninjas" in it as reviews here have mentioned along with giants and rhinos, for which there seems no historical data?
If it's just a story I wonder why it was necessary to start with a real point in history.
Paul Cartledge, who wrote Thermopylae: The Battle That Changed The World and who was hired as a consultant has said he was only asked one thing. He said the name was spoken as LeonEEdas but the filmmakers went with LeonEYEdas anyway.
Hell yes. I think it will be one of the icons of this generation of films. Remember the critics are mixed onthis film. about 60% pro 40% con. Raiders of the lost ark, Bladerunner, The Matrix etc. They were all in about the same boat. Well, Bladerunner was actually a flop at the box office. Yes, i think this will be one of those films to this generation of younger movie goers.
... this week and get back to you on it!
Not that I can speak for younger movie goers any more...
But I do know a number of 30-odd-ish types who want to see it.
In my mid-50s I may not be the typical viewer... but I get to 2 or 3 films (at the cinema) a week and... well, why not?
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