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GRINDHOUSEThis double-decker sandwiched flick is great; destined to be a cult classic and, over time, may actually make some money (albeit probably not in it's initial run). In my estimation, both of these films are fantastic and vastly different, although Tarantino's Death Proof would probably have been served better if switched with Rodriguez's Planet Terror. Pacing-wise, Quentin's movie revs up slowly and doesn't kick into high gear until long after the movie crowd has ridden out the massive adrenaline rush from Robert Rodriguez's full throttle Planet Terror freight train (one of the most over-the-top laugh out loud gross-out features I've seen in many a year). Note: This is akin to going to a concert where the wild opening act has all of the energy and the headliner is more restrained, concerned about having the sound system set-up just right and playing songs letter perfect, holding back for a grand finale.
It's worth noting that both features and the fictional previews of coming attractions pay homage to the Drive-In double features and obscure regional exploitation films (like Herschel Gorden Lewis's bucket-o-blood B flicks with no-name actors) that bounced around small town movie houses on the southern circuit in the 1960's. For film connoisseurs who appreciate bizarre low budget cinema with tongue firmly planted in cheek, this diesel-double hits on all cylinders.
My recommendation: **** 1/2 on a 5 star scale, with a cautionary caveats for squeamish adults, and especially, sensitive kids. That said, I'd suggest going ASAP. Rumor has it that this feature may be split up due to it's modest first weekend grosses (pun intended); if that happens the hilarious coming attraction spots may be eliminated along with "house management" apologies for deleted reels and the intentionally deleted sex reels reinserted, in effect ruining yet another of the diabolical Director duo's clever jests. So, if you don't catch Grindhouse on the big screen now, then I'd advise waiting for the Directors cuts DVD.
Cheers,
AuPh
Follow Ups:
they should be forced to release "Machete.""They pissed off the wrong Mexican!" What a great line!
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"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." - Albert Einstein
They ARE going to make a real Machete. And one of the others...
Ok, Planet Terror was lots of fun. I'll give ya that one. Liked it a lot, enough not to be pissed at yer review :->Deathproof was good only in the car scenes and the scene at the Texas Chili Parlor (or whatever bar they were all in). I've actually chowed down at TCP several times and don't think that was it. The rest? As the first poster said, ITS BEEN F'ING DONE! Tarantino talking thru the chicks this time. Please QT, enough is enough. And two extended dialogue scenes with two different groups? I thought the second would never end. I stayed thru it knowing there would be a payoff at the end, especially considering how unnereving the first car sequence was (extremely!). Russell was very good thru it all, scarier than the monsters of Feature 1. All in all, two hours of good filmaking here, unfortunately, 1.5 hours was in the first flick.
"E Burres Stigano"
Great fun. I think the movie order was correct. Tarantino's is actually the better movie with a great payoff and a nice switch after Rodriguez's movie with non-stop blood-athon. Nice Dead Kennedy's cover during the attempted rape scene, btw. Worse thing about the movies, Tarantino the actor.
But is it "Lord of the Rings" great?
It's a fun novelty movie with a very limited apeal. I enjoyed it but it aint in the same league as Lord of the Rings.
LofTR..."great?"
Harrummmmmph.
Just pointing out in a roundabout way that AuPh has a blind spot when it comes to the fantasy, science fiction, or horror genres. He's easily pleased by anything with the words "terror" or "planet" in the title. He might be more reliable judging other genres, but I don't trust his opinion on Grindhouse.
> > > "Just pointing out in a roundabout way that AuPh has a blind spot when it comes to the fantasy, science fiction, or horror genres." < < <A soft spot for certain films, maybe, but no blind spot; sorry.
> > > "He's easily pleased by anything with the words 'terror' or 'planet' in the title." < < <
Again, you seem to be talking out of the wrong orifice; it must be the beans I mentioned above.
First of all, Lord of The Rings does NOT have the words terror or planet in the title ...nor "horror", "fear", "creature", "invasion", "world", "Mars", "Dragon" or "Alpha Centauri" for that matter. That would seem to make you either a LIAR or a bigger FANTASY/SCI-FI buff than you've labeled me! So, which is it?
Secondly, you have no evidence to support your allegations about the range of my film preferences except anecdotal. At any rate, my reliability on any cinema related topic is probably more dependable than your's for a variety of reasons, but that's a fitting topic for another thread. ;^)
> > > "He might be more reliable judging other genres, but I don't trust his opinion on Grindhouse." < < <
Who gives a fig whether you trust someone else's informed opinion or not? Folks are free assess this film's merits for themselves before arriving at a conclusion. Your off the cuff remarks are worthless; at least my opinions are based on first hand impressions. Can you say the same?
Wait a minute! I just may have figured out what the problem is here! I bet you can't get into this movie without a parent or adult guardian accompanying you. Well, now the pissy 'attitude' makes a lot more sense!!! 8^D
Cheers,
AuPh
Not that the grey poupon crowd will ever admit to appreciating Peter Jackson's remarkable epic. Let's stick to discussing Grindhouse; perhaps there's room for some consensus there.AuPh
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"I had a pet frog when I was
little...RIGGS
Leo, please...LEO
I know, I know. Just gimme a
sec, okay? Then I'll go.
RIGGS
(beat; if it'll
get him outta
there)
Just make it fast.LEO
Okay, okay, okay... So I had
this frog. Named him Froggy.
And I didn't really have friends,
right, so Froggy was my friend...
(a little
embarrassed)
... I used to kiss him.
Like in the fairy tales, the girl
kisses the frog, and it turns
into a prince? Since I was a
boy, I figured maybe it'd turn
into a princess. Then she could
be my... I didn't have a mom
growing up, y'know? She went,
y'know, away or whatever. And
dad was no Crackerjack prize...
Anyway, Froggy didn't turn into
anything, just stayed a frog, but
was still my best friend, and
one day I was carrying his
box in my bike basket, and he
jumped out. My back wheel ran
over him. And he died... I
was heartbroken... I'd never
love another living thing ever
again... Then, about a year
later, the mentally slow guy
in the next apartment, Iggy,
his dog has puppies, and he has
to get rid of 'em, and he asks
me to take the one that didn't
sell. So I do... Pretty soon,
it's my new best friend. I
named him Froggy the Second...
It wasn't that he was a better
pet. Just a different one...
Anyway, I thought maybe it
was relevant."(Dialog quotes from Lethal Weapon 4 script; Joe Pesci; Mel Gibson converstion at graveside)
Grindhouse is sort of like Froggy; it'll probably get run over, but deserves to be loved on it's own merits, ...just differently. ;0)
AuPh
but then I hit puberty.
Gratuitous violence is what most folks tend to think of as mind-numbing slasher movies masquerading as horror films, usually done with telegraphed shocks. These are almost always played with droll sincerity. Grindhouse is more akin to a comic satire, like South Park, in some respects (sort of a live-action cartoon for adults, if you will).Certainly you're entitled to criticize that as well, because the irreverence of South Park often crosses the line of good taste and ventures into offensive territory, but there's no mistaking South Park for being a gratuitous, unfunny, exploitive gross-out (except perhaps the weakest of those dozen or so episodes that I've seen over the years).
At it's best, South Park, like Grindhouse, can be a wickedly brilliant parody, a social satire when taken the right way, but it is less consistently funny and entertaining than the Rodriguez/Tarantino double-feature.
> > > "I used to like gratuitous violence but then I hit puberty." < < <
Okay, so you kicked an older kid in the balls and then his friends proceeded to beat the crap out of you; what other traumas would you like to share with us? ;^)
AuPh
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How can over-the-top violence in a clever parody be considered gratuitous? Even the fictitious trailers will leave you in stitches (figuratively speaking of course! -grin). I reiterate, Planet Terror is clearly tongue in cheek, screaming "don't take this seriously" at every opportunity, and the talkier Death Proof is more psychologically intense than violent (liberated femmes being pursued in a hair-raising car chase by a deranged killer, then turning the tables). Every aspect of these two bizarre gems are a send-up of a specific genre of low budget theater chain film from the 60's; they are vastly different, BTW.Seriously tinear, you really should check Grindhouse out: I doubt that you are among the wimps too chicken to see these flicks. Don't prejudge them based upon a few naysayers who more than likely haven't seen them either. Who knows, you might be surprised by just how much you enjoy both, especially those hilarious previews of coming attractions.
Cheers,
AuPh
Planet Terror is fun. Lots of humor, lots of gore. Very lightweight, especially compared to Sin City, this is more of a parody of the zombie movie than a reinvention.I had big problems with Death Proof. It is mostly Tarantino's dialogue. And I have been a big fan of Tarantino's dialogue. Generally it has been tough men dropping incongruous pop culture references along with a lot of salty sex talk. Here it is tough women. But the same old thing, pop culture references and salty sex talk. It was fun in Reservoir Dogs, transcendent in Pulp Fiction, here it's more of the same.
So the first set of women just love an old rock group and groove to the song on the radio from - Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick and Tich. That would be cool, except the hip music maven woman says Mitch instead of Mick- and she does it several times. That bugged me.
If you don't buy the dialogue as entertainment, the rest is a couple of car chases. OK, they are well done, but hardly groundbreaking. I did like Kurt Russell and his dialogue seemed more on target and far more interesting than the girls'. But it wasn't much of the movie.
This was easily my least favorite Tarantino effort, sluggish and rather dull.
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