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You're missing my point Dmitry.

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In Reply to: Re: I know what you mean. posted by Dmitry on May 21, 2001 at 16:19:45:

I would never argue that you have to be born in America to be 'American.' It's unsupportable. 9.999999999 percent of us (or our parents or their parents etc.) are from somewhere else. I was just pointing out that you'd think there would be more great stuff from the natives. Victor's earlier point was that it takes hundreds of years to develop a truly great culture and I'm agreeing with him.

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Re: You're missing my point Dmitry. Dmitry 17:03:34 05/21/01 (5)
1.I was just screwing around with ya.
2.This arguement is valid, BUT film these days is more and more universal, or is becoming such, like it or not. There are distinguishing characteristics, of course, but soon enough they will brew down to the subtitles, for the most part. Imho, it's not French Cinema or Mongolian Cinema as an institution, but a handful of visionary directors that make it. I certainly hope these(or coming) directors will always be making good films.
3.The fact that you like non-American cinema doesn't mean anything beyond that; certainly it doesn't mean that American films are worse than the other ones that you do like watching. :)))
Elder Victor isn't discovering any Americas when he talks about decline of Hollywood films after the war. I think that the best American films were made after WWII.
- Perhaps mine too Victor Khomenko 17:24:31 05/21/01 (4)
  ***Elder Victor isn't discovering any Americas when he talks about decline of Hollywood films after the war. I think that the best American films were made after WWII.
  Isn't there a contradiction between your two sentences?
  But anyway, I love good films no matter where they come from. So help me with the list of the best American films made after the WWII - no teasing here.
  And as far as having world movies come out of some homogeneous blob of matter, that is simply not true. It would not be possible for something like the "Mozart Brothers" or "Life as a Fatal STD" to be made here, not anymore than the Kurosawa's "Dreams" to be made in Germany.
  So you line about French Cinema vs. Mongolian Cinema (shivers and cold down the spine....... ) may be funny but it is dead wrong. It shall remain wrong for the next few hundred years, I am afraid.
  But returning to the serious subject, let's build a good American film list.
  - Re: Perhaps mine too Dmitry 17:59:50 05/21/01 (3)
    ***Elder Victor isn't discovering any Americas when he talks about decline of Hollywood films after the war. I think that the best American films were made after WWII.
    Isn't there a contradiction between your two sentences?
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    Arrgh. Come on,Victor, drop the semantics:)))You know perfectly well what I was talking about.
    What I meant to say was that indeed, Hollywood took some turns after the WWII, some of them right, some of them u-turns and some of them bad.
    Now, my favorite post-WWII American films would be(before 1980s)
    A Gentlemen's Agreement
    North by Northwest
    Chinatown
    A Hatful Of Rain
    The Hustler
    The French Connection
    Carmen Jones
    The Godfather
    The Young Lions
    Some like it hot
    Easy Rider
    Pinky
    Spartacus
    One flew over the cuckoo's nest
    The Taxi Driver
    Dr.Strangelove
    Three days of the Condor
    The Graduate
    Raging Bull
    On The Waterfront
    The Big Heat
    Apocalypse Now
    Midnight express
    Young Frankenstein
    Jaws
    All The King's Men
    Close encounters of the third kind
    All That Jazz
    Human desire
    To kill the mockingbird
    and that film with Charleton Heston where he plays a Mexican.
    These are just the ones that came to my mind while I was typing. I'm sure there are more.
    All the other stuff about my being wrong for the next 100 years - I wish you all the health in the world, o sagacious Solomon. :)
    - May I... Victor Khomenko 18:10:38 05/21/01 (2)
      ...ever so gently slide the "Paths of Glory" in place of Spartacus?
      Anyway, intersting. I am actually scanning it for holes I need to plug im my education.
      On the ones I know I agree with you about 60% - I would never consider the "Condor" anything but another piece of kaka from Redford-the-kaka-man.
      And I am eternally grateful to you that there was no Stalag 17 on your list...
      - Yes, you may. Dmitry 19:10:45 05/21/01 (1)
        
        In Reply to: May I... posted by Victor Khomenko on May 21, 2001 at 18:10:38:
        
        I haven't seen the Paths of Glory...but I like Spartacus.
        Wow, Victor, don't get too worked up about the caca-man. I liked the Condor, saw it perhaps 3 times since I saw it first when I was about 12 or 13, still like it.
        He is an OK guy, Redford. Why dislike him so much? It's the horse film, isn't it? Or his political affiliations maybe? There's got to be something beside the acting...
        Stalag 17:))))
        Time to go home now.
        
        Re: Yes, you may. Victor Khomenko 23:13:24 05/21/01 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Yes, you may. posted by Dmitry on May 21, 2001 at 19:10:45:
        
        You are lucky man, Dmitry, watching Paths of Glory for the first time - you will not forget it. Simply put - one of five best films ever made, and you know - I don't drop that sort of claims idly.
        Redford - Mr. Hollywood. A facade man, a Potemkin village, with no substance. I don't think is was the horse movie, I think my dislike of him started with the first his film that I saw - the Bruebaker. That was right as I came here, and I thought highly of American films. Bruebaker struck me as something utterly fake, although it toom me several years to understand what it was.

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