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In Reply to: Shrek posted by Troy on May 26, 2001 at 16:14:40:
The motion was highly robotic. I was expecting the bio-animation software that made the Jurasic Park's dinosaurs motion so fluid, but it was bypassed.The clothing was an adequate 1st generation job, but all clothing moved similarly. A fashion designer would be appauled.
The fire was obviously a painted 2-D image on the 3-D walls, candle, & rolling balls eminating from the dragon.
The water was also 1st generation. The water was a rippling tinted surface rather than a refractive, reflective, & and tinted medium.
The fact they decided to do hair was also welcome change, but the hair moved uniformly like all the loose hairs were tied together. It looks like they depicted hair as transparent cloth with the hairs painted on it.
However, I play with cheap CG al the time & this stuff is obvious to me.
All that said, I was impressed corporately with the quatum level of details attempted to animate right done to skin blemishes. There is better but not together in one picture.
The plot although completely predictable was none-the-less delightful.Although, my friend didn't like the donkey. He found it as obnoxious as I found Chris Tucker in "5th Element" & that floppy eared CG guy in "Star Wars : Episode 1".
....just my 2¢
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...if your sensibilities are to be pleased, we'll not be able to tell the cartoons from the real. The sad result: The end of cartoons! The other movies have never been real anyway.clark
Cartoons aren't necessarily in the medium anymore. It's in the plot. If a caricature of a coyote falls off a 10,000ft shear cliff & immediately pops his head up to be pummeled by a 20ton boulder, I don't believe you'll be convinced it was not a cartoon especially when he shows up in the next scene not much worse for the wear.
....just my 2¢
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> > The fire was obviously a painted 2-D image < <I haven't seen "Shrek" but the animation documentary on TV showed the flames traveling down the corridor being 3-D surface-modeled with triangles in steps at increasingly higher resolution. I'm not familiar with all the CGI lingo so I don't know if this is what you meant as painted 2-D.
... mainly because I find them misnomers. You see, CG mostly works with skins. They model the surface of 3-D objects. The object is faceted into triangles as you observed. Then, the wireframe mesh is fill with 2-D triangles in 3-D space. Once, that is done. You determine what color(s) the triangles are. (BTW, this also includes the amount transparency like the skin of the water & the amount of reflectivity which determines how smooth & shiny something appears to be) Anywho, in the case of fire they obviously ran a movie of fire on these triangular panels ... like a VR version of Disney's "Haunted House" where they projected a movie of talking person onto a manimann's stationary head. Thus, the image of the fire wasn't computer generated which was move obvious with the candle & fireplace. These were just painted in place which made the fireplace really bad. It was like watching a movie at an oblique angle.
....just my 2¢
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> > It was like watching a movie at an oblique angle. < <Often times, I have to read your posts that way.
Standing on my head while looking over my shoulder,
Tom §.
Well you obviously saw a different movie than I did.I'm glad we agree on the story which was rich and amusing. Murphy as the Donkey was that offensive to your friend, eh? Well he wasn't 1/2 as shrill as Tucker in 5thE and you could understand every word Donkey said which was the main problem most people had with the garbled ultimately stupid floppy eared step'nfetchit guy in SW. Donkey was comparable to Robin Williams in "Aladdin" in tone and "grate" factor, I'd say.
As far as your CGI comments though . . . I do a lot of low end 3D work too and what I was seeing in Shrek was outstanding. The character animation was more refined than the character animation in Pixar's short "Geralds Game", which was the high water mark for me before "Shrek".
Besides, I was more moved by the backgrounds and environments. This rivals the great painterly anime films like "Totoro" or "Laputa" when it comes to depicting an idylic and beautifully pastoral scene. Regardless of the technology of how the film was created, it was a visually artistic gem.
Here's the thing about CG in general people forget; just like regular cell animation, CG is supposed to be stylized, not a replacement for filmed reality. It's not about how close to looking like real it is. It's about the sum of the technical parts working together and the artistry of the people making the film to create a world that is seamless in the context of that film. It's not about sitting there noodling apart whether the fire looked like your fireplace or not. The world created here is lavish, delicate and overwhelmingly "alive" feeling, again, much more so than any I've ever seen before.
I will deconstruct this movie later and figure out how they did everything because it's what I do, but I'm glad the the movie totally absorbed me and suspended my disbelief. I enjoyed it as a movie rather than as a technology demo reel.
> > > outstanding. The character animation was more refined than the character animation in Pixar's short "Geralds Game", which was the high water mark for me before "Shrek".I haven't seen "Shrek" yet, but I've seen that the animation is well done, and I've heard that it's an entertaining movie. And, that's generally why I go see a movie; to be entertained. If I want to be educated, I'll read a book.
> > > I enjoyed it as a movie rather than as a technology demo reel.
Here's a movie that looks like a tech demo. They went for the "photo realistic" look, and if they haven't gotten it, they're a hair away. IIRC, they (the studio) got so involved in detail, that they were down to rendering (something like) 12 frames/month at one point. It's definitely visually stunning, and hopefully it's as well writing as it is animated.
Chia-Hao
... was mermerized by the shear maount of CG. They modeled nearly everything but the painted fire. Thus, it was the story for me. Most CG is painted stages like green screens. However, the eneormity of that which was atually 3-D skin modeled was ground breaking.PS: what I do is run computer simulations of machines to isolate static, kinematic, & dynamic phenomena qualitatively & quantitatively in order to optimize designs for the future.
As such I run CG to show temporal solutions. So, when an unnatural motion occurs, I know the numerical solution is the GO part of GIGO.
....just my 2¢
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I was just so knocked out by the grass slowly waving in the breeze and the bugs buzzing around. Juicy!What I do is a little different. I make pretty pictures for the toy industry- http://www.designshed.com
Cheers, Mart
Troy
Excellent work Troy- and nice site too."Googie style architecture, Art Deco, Fins and Chrome, the Jetsons Aesthetic and life in the Atomic Age are icons that are important to me and my work."
That reminded me of Tati's "Mon Oncle"- have you seen it?- apart from being very funny, the art direction is an absolute treat in this film.
Regards,
john
***That reminded me of Tati's "Mon Oncle"- have you seen it?- apart from being very funny, the art direction is an absolute treat in this film.That is a wonderful and hilarious film. Those scenes with a fish fountain are simply precious.
I loved the scene with the dog growling at the fish in the shopping bag. I had a terrier that would do the same when my father came home with his ocean fishing catch.And those rotten boys with their pranks!
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