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Troy

In Reply to: It was OK posted by Mart on May 26, 2001 at 18:26:46:

Well you obviously saw a different movie than I did.
I'm glad we agree on the story which was rich and amusing. Murphy as the Donkey was that offensive to your friend, eh? Well he wasn't 1/2 as shrill as Tucker in 5thE and you could understand every word Donkey said which was the main problem most people had with the garbled ultimately stupid floppy eared step'nfetchit guy in SW. Donkey was comparable to Robin Williams in "Aladdin" in tone and "grate" factor, I'd say.
As far as your CGI comments though . . . I do a lot of low end 3D work too and what I was seeing in Shrek was outstanding. The character animation was more refined than the character animation in Pixar's short "Geralds Game", which was the high water mark for me before "Shrek".
Besides, I was more moved by the backgrounds and environments. This rivals the great painterly anime films like "Totoro" or "Laputa" when it comes to depicting an idylic and beautifully pastoral scene. Regardless of the technology of how the film was created, it was a visually artistic gem.
Here's the thing about CG in general people forget; just like regular cell animation, CG is supposed to be stylized, not a replacement for filmed reality. It's not about how close to looking like real it is. It's about the sum of the technical parts working together and the artistry of the people making the film to create a world that is seamless in the context of that film. It's not about sitting there noodling apart whether the fire looked like your fireplace or not. The world created here is lavish, delicate and overwhelmingly "alive" feeling, again, much more so than any I've ever seen before.
I will deconstruct this movie later and figure out how they did everything because it's what I do, but I'm glad the the movie totally absorbed me and suspended my disbelief. I enjoyed it as a movie rather than as a technology demo reel.

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Re: It was better'n OK CH Chang 02:50:20 05/27/01 (0)
> > > outstanding. The character animation was more refined than the character animation in Pixar's short "Geralds Game", which was the high water mark for me before "Shrek".
I haven't seen "Shrek" yet, but I've seen that the animation is well done, and I've heard that it's an entertaining movie. And, that's generally why I go see a movie; to be entertained. If I want to be educated, I'll read a book.
> > > I enjoyed it as a movie rather than as a technology demo reel.
Here's a movie that looks like a tech demo. They went for the "photo realistic" look, and if they haven't gotten it, they're a hair away. IIRC, they (the studio) got so involved in detail, that they were down to rendering (something like) 12 frames/month at one point. It's definitely visually stunning, and hopefully it's as well writing as it is animated.
Chia-Hao
I OTOH Mart 21:39:58 05/26/01 (4)
... was mermerized by the shear maount of CG. They modeled nearly everything but the painted fire. Thus, it was the story for me. Most CG is painted stages like green screens. However, the eneormity of that which was atually 3-D skin modeled was ground breaking.
PS: what I do is run computer simulations of machines to isolate static, kinematic, & dynamic phenomena qualitatively & quantitatively in order to optimize designs for the future.
As such I run CG to show temporal solutions. So, when an unnatural motion occurs, I know the numerical solution is the GO part of GIGO.

....just my 2�

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- I OTOH Troy 02:35:17 05/27/01 (3)
  I was just so knocked out by the grass slowly waving in the breeze and the bugs buzzing around. Juicy!
  What I do is a little different. I make pretty pictures for the toy industry- http://www.designshed.com
  Cheers, Mart
  Troy
  - I'm impressed. john dem 02:48:18 05/27/01 (2)
    Excellent work Troy- and nice site too.
    "Googie style architecture, Art Deco, Fins and Chrome, the Jetsons Aesthetic and life in the Atomic Age are icons that are important to me and my work."
    That reminded me of Tati's "Mon Oncle"- have you seen it?- apart from being very funny, the art direction is an absolute treat in this film.
    Regards,
    john
    - Re: I'm impressed. Victor Khomenko 08:41:08 05/27/01 (1)
      ***That reminded me of Tati's "Mon Oncle"- have you seen it?- apart from being very funny, the art direction is an absolute treat in this film.
      That is a wonderful and hilarious film. Those scenes with a fish fountain are simply precious.
      - Re: I'm impressed. TAFKA Steve 09:24:57 05/27/01 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I'm impressed. posted by Victor Khomenko on May 27, 2001 at 08:41:08:
        
        I loved the scene with the dog growling at the fish in the shopping bag. I had a terrier that would do the same when my father came home with his ocean fishing catch.
        And those rotten boys with their pranks!

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