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some say it is the "female Easy Rider"; what's your opinion?
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...was that of the yokel abandoned husband. The actor had to really surrender himself to reach that stage of totally uncomprehending responsibility for his own situation. I thought it was a hoot, the only role in the movie that rang true. Besides Brad Pitts'.clark
Easy Rider is vastly superior. T&L is a buddy film. Period. More in line with...well I'm drawing a blank at the moment. ER does have a plot, particularly when viewed in the context of the times in which it was made. I couldn't watch ER frequently, but every few years I take a look again. I find it thouroughly enjoyable. While it is somewhat dated, I think it holds up pretty good. That said I found T&L to be an ok movie, but I couldn't watch it as many times as I have ER.
I suspect that Easy Rider is one of those films that you had to see at a certain time and place and age. I was in 9th or 10th grade when it came out and was stunned. I saw it again about a year ago. It hasn't worn well, but it was still a pleasurable experience because it brought back memories of a place and time.
I think you're right; I viewed "Easy Rider" upon initial release in
1969, in a near empty theater in Wichita Falls, Texas, I was then attending a technical school at Sheppard AFB nearby. Very
memorable. - AH
Side by side, Easy Rider is by far the superior film, and when viewed in the context of when it was made, is vastly superior. Just my opinion.
Plot Summary: MEN=Bad, WOMEN=GoodIt features a very talented Ford Thunderbird, which steals every scene she is in with her irresisible good looks and poise on camera. She has the advantage of having the best lines in the script as well.
But how long can a big- block V8 flout the social standards of the highway ?- exceeding the speed limit, at times even venturing on to the other side of the road!
Of course, it is a film about morality and redemption, and the T-Bird's suicide at the end is the only way out for this once proud convertible. We are spared the actual demise of the star as she plunges over the cliff- I for one was thankful, I already had tears in my eyes at the sight of that beauty surrounded by those brutish 4 door sedans, with the horrible possibility of them ramming her finely sculpted panels mercilessly until she yielded.
At the risk of having Victor tell me I'm a cultural philistine . . .I enjoyed T&L for what it was, A female buddy picture with attractive actresses, artful cinematography and the message that women don't have to take crap from anybody. I'm also a sucker for a desert road picture and the movie worked on that level for me as well. It was no "Alien" or "Blade Runner", but it was an entertaining movie and yes, I enjoyed it way more than "Easy Rider" which is terribly dated and . . . virtually plotless.
personal favorites. Not exactly plotless, but rather loosely plotted
with interlaced thematic threads of symbolism. The acid-trip in the New Orleans
cemetery is one of the best simulations of its kind in cinema; Jack Nicholson's
performance is a pure delight; of course, the ending is a classic, not
to mention the superb soundtrack. - AH
I will generally agree with you on that. There is something undenyably "true" and original about the Easy Rider that the T&L just can't possibly have.I think Troy is being too hard on it by calling it plotless... it IS plotless, if you judge by the more traditional American movie standards, but in my view the plot is not really needed, at least the plot in the traditional sense... in order to make a good movie. One can perfectly convey the atmosphere, the emotion, etc without resorting to "plot" (what is the plot of the Wild Srawberies?).
So the choice between these two would be very easy for me, even if I am not the "Rider's" fan. But it definitely has the feel, the atmosphere and it does make T&L look like a cardboard cut-out.
One additional word - I don't think anyone had ever produce anything worth watching by following in the footsteps of something true and original. Scott is not that kind of director, anyway, but even the undisputed giants like Tarkovsky had fallen into that trap - with his Berman-esque "Sacrifice", for instance. But if in case of Tarkovsky this was just one silly mistake, Scott has really nothing to counterbalance this flap. Flap? No, a norm, rather...
So no, the Easy Rider is NOT one of my favorite films, but it is something that has the right to exist, as it probes and pushes the envelope, searches for something new. T&L? Sam ol' crap from same ol' crapsters.
> > So no, the Easy Rider is NOT one of my favorite films, but it is something that has the right to exist, as it probes and pushes the envelope, searches for something new. < <So why don't you feel the same way about Alien and Bladerunner? I agree with Doug Schneider about both of those movies and would use your own words to describe the fact that they probed and pushed the envelope, searching for something new.
AS
Aurelio, art is strange and personal thing, as we all know. Just to be "pushing and searching" is not sufficiet for something to be considered art. Dipping Christ in urine indeed "pushes", but only very few would consider that art.I don't mean to turn this into some philosophical discussion, but since you asked, those two movies do nothing for me, I just get bored and turn them off. I was only able to tolerate perhaps 15 minutes of the Runner, but saw most of the Alien. To me they are waste of time and have nothing to do with art. Most importantly their entertainment value to me is zero.
Now, a movie doesn't have to be "art" to be enjoyable, and I personally have spent many hours watching something silly and sometimes idiotic, but usually those things don't pretend to be anything else.
I am only saying this because a comparisson was drawn between the two completely well, alien, in my view, movies.
I certainly respect your opinion, which is why I asked.Personally, I never considered BR or Alien (or Easy Rider for that matter) to push the envelope - but I do think that each had something new to offer their respective genres - not unlike Terminator. Yes T had Aahnold....had heart-stopping action and memorable cliches, but I thought it had a wonderfully conceived and executed plot for a MAINSTREAM film (mainstream being the operative word here). I believe this to be true of BR and Alien, too. I agree with Audiohead that, at this point, Alien is only interesting if watched several years apart or under the influence of mind altering substances (I prefer 1 or 10 good micro beers, myself ;-) but nevertheless, upon their original release, I thought all these movies had something new and fresh to offer.
I hope that made sense.
AS
Although I enjoyed both "Alien" and "Bladerunner" upon their initial
releases, I find it hard to watch them now due to boredom. In "Alien"
after the surprise/shock value wears off, it comes off as too slow-paced. However, I do enjoy watching it every 6 or 7 years, just once,
and I have to be very stoned at that just to endure that pace, although I do enjoy the classic "chest-bursting" scene EVERYTIME I
watch. Also, the scene where the Alien drops down behind Harry Dean
Stanton, while Stanton is looking for a cat, is timeless and never
fails to mesmerize me. Concerning boredom: ditto for 2001 Space
Odyessy. - AH
Ridley Scott's commentary on the Alien DVD was pretty interesting.
I don't mind slow pacing although I have yet to get past the first 15 minutes of 2001: A space Odyssey. ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
:O LOL!
On my "10,000 Best Films" list it occupies the number 25,001 spot.My opinion? Worthless piece of Hollywood trash. So bad I never watched it in one piece... which is a very significant statement. So it took four or five sessions to cover about 85% of that "film", at which point I gave up.
Don't hold back Victor, tell us what you really thing.I look at things like Thelma & Louise in this way...it's directed by Ridley Scott who used to be a good director but in a different time. However, they bring him in to elevate Hollywood films above the "trash" category and into the "non-offensive waste" category. For the complete "trash" category they tend to like to hire Michael Bay.
Doug Schneider
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Riddley Scott a "good director"? Alien? Blade Runner? The Gladiator, for Pete's sake? Mama mia... Perhaps that silly idiotic super-cliche "Someone to watch over me"?OK, I'll give him a barely-passing grade for "The Duelists", but I think that is as high as he ever had risen, and even there, if not for Harvey Keitel with his silly attitude - it would be just another crappy piece too.
Michael Bay? What, you mean you didn't like the "Armageddon" (he-he-he...)?
But I would not put "The Rock" below that Thelma shit... At least in "The Rock" you get what you pay for...
OK, OK, so I am still holding back...
I do give Scott the big thumbs up for both Alien and Blade Runner! He created a vision with both those films that still holds up well today.Doug Schneider
Impressive attention span.
***Impressive attention span.Pretty good, huh?
Well, you know how it goes... you have an idle evening... serf the channels... see it, watch it for awhile... lose interest... switch to something else... few days later - same thing... watch it from a different spot for few more minutes... lose interest...
For comparisson, I watched "Dumb and Dumber" in one session... that one had *something* to hang my hat on.
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