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Anyone else concur that this movie was incredible? The TENSION and PAIN that Billy Hayes felt as he entered this black hole called the Turkish prison system was so palpable! His performance, as well as Dennis Quaid's, was stellar. If you haven't seen this movie, you really must... it's THAT good!
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> > ...as well as Dennis Quaid's, was stellarYup I like Dennis Quaid a lot. I don't watch western much, but his portralyal of Doc Holiday in Wyatt Earp was phenomenal, head and shoulder above any other western roles I've seen.
Just go to amazon.com and read the many negative reviews this movie has garnered amongst the Turkish community around the world! I had no idea that this film was 'controversial' to some! I guess there were some unflattering portrayals of Turkish people in the movie, but to me it was all within the context of a degrading and inhumane prison system there, which I understand was fairly accurately portrayed in this great film. Has anyone else seen how it could be deemed 'controversial'??
---Just go to amazon.com and read the many negative reviews this movie has garnered amongst the Turkish community around the world!If I remember correctly Turkish community also denies that massacre of Armenians ever took place. Apparently Armenians decided to slit their own bellys, cut off the heads of their children and use them for polo.
Wouh wouh, I remember some Amricans that denies of any massacres in Vietnam, or in... America, to a people called Indians.Do YOU have the proof of a massacre on Armenians by the Turcs ? Were you born that time (1915) ? Or was it your government that said it? Or a Armeniam Lobby, that rules in your country ?
1. At this "massacre", more Turcs were killed than Armenians, and these Turcs were killed by Armenians.
2. All these happend during World War I, when Turkey wasn't a republic. It was under Ottoman's regime, now abolished. M. Atatürk got rid of all these people.
3. Of course, some other people who hasn't the right to be in Turkey in the early 20th, had to leave the country, and are still upset about this. Like British, French and Greeks (you name sounds greek, doesn't it ?). And especially greeks educate their children to hate Turcs, still today. And they pretend to make part of the European Community (as the poorest country).
4. Armenians actually lives in Turkey under quiet, peacefull conditions, and condemn all governments in the world, including the french (who did some quite huge massacres in Algeria in the early 60th), who votes some law to recognize the so called massacre. It's ONLY a matter of money (Armenians rules the world of money in these countries).
5. If you want to condemn, do it where it is really needed: the Talibans in Afghanistan; the Isralish settlers in Palestina; in Rwanda, Congo, Irak, Algeria, and the list goes on.
5. I invite everybody to come to visit this friendly country, don't worry, nobody will cut your balls off. Maybe you dont' have some.But let's not become politic, it's a fun Asylum.
-> Auricubs
--Do YOU have the proof of a massacre on Armenians by the Turcs ? Were you born that time (1915)?This is the most pathetic excuse for the Genocide that I have heard. You and people like you are trying to rewrite history to cleanse the world from any knowledge of artocious deeds the Turks perpetrated on the Armenian people. I have heard that rant before.
As far as my balls are concerned, thank you for inquiring about them, although I'd preferred that you rather kissed my ass. Get a grip on reality, Auricubs.
It is getting funny that you Osmans are now using forums like this to promote your racist panturcist ideology all the while denying the historical truths.My great grandfather was killed by your compatriots in June of 1915 as part of the Genocide of Armenians by Turks. He was hanged, but before that his ears and nose were cut out. This is only one proof of over one and a half million (1.5 MILLION) innocent people, including women, children and the elderly that were slaughtered by Osmans in an orchestrated attempt to eliminate the Armenian problem.
It is not relevant whether Turkey was a republic or whether it was an Ottoman empire at that time. In the end, it was the same country, same thing then and same thing now. The massacres were conducted in the same spirit of your present denial that they occurred. It was carried out by people that had a fascist mentality like yours, because you are engaged here in repeating the fascist ideology that you have been taught, so, refrain from attacking Greeks as to how they raise their children.
By the way, if you are so tolerant and democratic, then why are you so upset at Greeks, or is it maybe that you are feeling intimidated by their millennial culture that cannot be matched by your nomadic culture that has thrived on capturing and destroying others' achievements. And before you criticize the Talibans of Afghanistan, just keep in mind that there is not much difference between what they have done to the ancient Buddhist sculptures and what you have done to the ancient Armenian churches, by systematically destroying them, removing their crosses, defacing the Armenian writing on them, and turning them into stables, among other things.
So, look inward, before making unfounded allegations and attacking others. And if you think that the fact of the Armenian Genocide by Turks will disappear with the death of the remaining survivors, you are grossly mistaken, because you are incapable of understanding that there is such a thing as historical memory. The best thing to do to deal with that, is to accept the facts of the Armenian Genocide, apologize for the crimes you Osmans committed.
Aghzna sikkim, anyway.
It offended the Turkish people when the film premiered in theatres and director Alan Parker did admit that liberties were taken with the book's content for dramatic effect. The government officials and parole board were made to look like corrupt, bribeable, amoral xenophobes. I can't imagine that it helped the tourism industry like "Topkapi" did. But I don't recall any similar protest from Mexico when "Traffic" came out.
...a couple years ago and pretty much agree with you. What most amazed me was how -- after twenty years of graphic violence on the screen, and extreme prison violence in shows such as Oz -- some of the scenes still terrified me. I'm kinda glad I didn't see it back when!Also I thought that guy's hopeless attraction to Billy was handled sensitively. Even men in prison need love, and Billy said No very kindly. Of course the fellow was crushed! I thought it played very well without any "politics".
clark
Saw this one in a theater and definitely felt exhausted by Hayes' ordeal. Really loved Giorgio Moroder's music, but my feelings about it definitely changed AFTER seeing the film and I couldn't come to terms with people dancing to it in discos. Hard to believe that it's been a whole decade since lead actor Brad Davis died of AIDS. Paul Smith (a strongman from Venice, California) played the sadistic guard and it was RANDY Quaid playing one of Hayes' fellow inmates. When Jim Carrey parodied the girlfriend's prison visit scene in "The Cable Guy", I got physically sick ("Oh, Billy!").
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