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In Reply to: Makes one think twice about looking for film commentary via an Asylum forum... lord posted by mobile homeless on July 31, 2001 at 08:41:46:
Yes, his review is PURE OPINION as are our responses, but to be fair isn't he as entitled to that level of enthusiasm? We should be able to share our differing viewpoints on film with greater decorum, don't you think? From my perspective, ranking movies is a VERY subjective process and I'm quite confident that everyone's lists would differ greatly. For instance, I'm a big fan of silent cinema, including the works of directors like Von Stroheim, Fritz Lang, Keaton, and Vidor, etc., and wide ranging Japanese, Chinese and European cinema of more recent vintage that's generally considered "art-house" fare, but I also like old Republic and Columbia serials from the 30's and 40's which have some of the most strained simplistic dialogue imaginable. The point is that I wouldn't want to rank genre against genre in a "best of" style run off because each form of cinema has it's own intrinsic value dependent upon the individual moods and motivations of it's audience.I'm not discounting obscure art house films by any means, but it seems like the defenders of this genre are often bitter about the lack of general public acceptance of their favorite small films. Admittedly, the major studios do little to promote these films and often they open at small venues in major metropolitan areas and then vannish within a week or two. Nevertheless, word of mouth can give a movie new life and intellectual quality needn't be sacrificed whenever elaborate effects are part of the production. IMHO, movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon prove that very point; the cream will rise to the top if it deserves to be there. Conversely, I don't know how many times I've gone to a critically acclaimed art-house film (Note: never, I mean NEVER go to a movie with the foreign pronunciation of food or attire mentioned in it's title) only to be bored to the point of nearly dozing off. Note: When you sleep through it you neither laugh nor cry, but you still kiss your bucks goodbye!
As far as "rewarding" movies, I would like to reiterate, for most people I have to believe that it depends on one's mood and tastes at the time. I would no more want to eat rich gourmet cuisine at every meal than I would want to chow down on an Egg McMuffin every day. Variety and different flavors are what makes food as well as movies a treat. At least that's my opinion. YMMV.
AuPh
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***Conversely, I don't know how many times I've gone to a critically acclaimed art-house film (Note: never, I mean NEVER go to a movie with the foreign pronunciation of food or attire mentioned in it's title) only to be bored to the point of nearly dozing off.***Yeah, they need more predictability, violence, killing, car chases, special effects, and explosions...then you'll stay awake.
I like good plots as much as anyone perhaps more than most, but some of the highly rated heavily relationship-oriented melodramas are like 35mm doses of Sominex (i.e., in rare cases, major films like The English Patient and Altman's Pret-a-Porter, were undoubtably shot and released in 70mm Sominex)! Fortunately, my wife prefers action flicks over some of the bogus fare which passes for romantic intrigue or intellectual stimulation (i.e., for instance, we'd both rather see a lively Jackie Chan or Jet Li production than anything Merchant Ivory ever released).FWIW, I was hoping that my previous comment about "...movies with the foreign pronunciation of food or attire ..." would appear facetious; many foreign films are quite good in fact. However, a bad foreign movie is no better than a bad American movie and in the long run it still all boils down to personal taste.
AuPh
Meanwhile, this person has now resorted to personal attack after personal attack, calling me "stupid" and an "idiot." I find this highly ironic given the nature of the posts between the two of us and what he found unappealing about my original post.
By the way, I detest nothing more than a pretentious movie that rests on the shock and laurels of the art mystique without having any real substance. I have seen many that suffer from this malady. Then again, I do not write of the entire genre. It's many of the small independent film makers that have kept cinema alive. The Sundance Film festival award winners and honorees in the last 10 years are excellent examples of low budget movies that still have some honesty without pretense.
the-real-CarlEber has written off quite a lot of films with the simple application and push of SUBMIT. Indeed, it is his opinion. But an opinion so ground in stone deserves a rebuttal. My apologies to those that I offended.
kh
I am proud to be in the company of someone as articulate and open minded as you, Audiophilander. I don't appreciate Crouching Tiger the way you do, but I do appreciate the points you make, and they are well taken. You hit the nail right one the head!I agree, anyone who is miopic in their support of "art house" movies will be perpetually angry (because most people "don't get" that genre, and like you, might sleep through them), and I feel such an obsession does indeed stem from a false sense of superiority...from elitism, from bigotry.
If one craves intellectual stimulation from their entertainment, to the point that it must all be "high art", then I suggest that one is not being intellectually stimulated in the rest of their lives...thus their lives are a complete waste of space on this planet!
One should use intellect to contribute to society through producing something. One should not use intellect to impose self isolation by obsessing over such a small genre of cinema (as "art house" films), and then being angry that most people do not agree with them.
This is misguided and contrary. There's nothing honorable about being contrarian for the sake of being so, and then allowing it to breed anger and bigotry as Kelly does.
I once ran across another Kelly who was just as much of an idiot...but that must be a coincidence, right?
his Jurassic Park views are consistent with his inability to spell, punctuate, and write correctly.
piss judgement on me how? Cause you use spell check? As I've pointed out elsewhere, only little old ladies whine about spelling errors...and besides, I'd take you on any day of the week in any spelling contest you like, you little wuss. Pipe your pompousity back up where it came from!
not my fault that you can't spell, punctuate or write correctly. In addition, it's not my fault that these are some of the characteristics which define the imbecile, idiot and moron.
...is what epitomizes the whiner, the wuss, the pansy. I notice you had to get your little dig in only 10 minutes after I replied....GET A FU****G LIFE!I could write better than you from a coma, you little weener...and your own inadequacy is the source of your rage here...refill your thorazine prescription, before the other half of your pathetic excuse for a brain hemorrhages!
Why don't you stop while you're ahead here? Most of your retorts really damage your own position; you were far better off with more mystery surrounding your persona. In comparison, the unknown and unsaid speaks volumes more than the misspoken and ill-conceived. Of course, I am not saying to hold your tongue, as this forum should be open to all comers; yet must the tongue (keyboard) paint such a broad stroke, with the subtlety of a Stegosaurus floundering about in a bog?
When your blood pressure rises, the quality of the content, not to mention the spelling and grammar, goes further into the depths of mediocrity. You are right in that the occasional typo and misplaced word should go overlooked, especially in a forum such as this; yet when sentence structure, syntax, spelling, usage, and content all become riddled with misuse and errors, it starts to convey an inability to express yourself in a lucid fashion, something that does speak for intellectual capabilities, if not take-home salary.
Your insults become more petty and less creative, and just delve into personal attacks of the nature of a third grader on a playground who is not let on the Whirligig during the 10 O clock recess.
Yes, opinion counts for much, but there are some objective standards that pertain to even films that are in less stringent categories, designed only to entertain or bring in the ducats. Granted, I have been entertained by a few of this type, perhaps even Jurassic Park in some ways, but to lambaste the entire "art house" genre, simply because it fails to excite your senses, is really overstepping the lines of good reason.
I could imagine you watching Jim Jarmusch's first feature, "Stranger Than Paradise," and falling sound asleep, due to the one shot takes and sparse dialogue. Still, this is no reason to plow over all who appreciate the wit and deadpan script and production. My bet is you have seen very few films of this nature to pass a learned opinion on the entire genre. Still, it is your every right to do so and so you do.
Frankly, I dont know why I wandered in here (this thread) again. Maybe I saw ole Rich's name and wondered what succinct morsel he had let fly. After reading another one of your responses, I found myself drawn in yet again.
I guess I should have learned something in the last exchange.
kh
pontificating that I somehow don't earn enough money to be intelligent? Gee mr. mobile homeless, I thought it was you who evolved from a trailer park (what with your name and all).Could it be that you are envious that my thread has gotten more responses than any of yours have ever gotten? Nahh, you're not that shallow...
"Of course, I am not saying to hold your tongue"...oh really? Bullshit...you're a liar.
OH, AND MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS LOWER THAN YOURS OR ANYONE'S HERE...but thanks anyway for appearing to pretend to be concerned about my health.
And btw, mr. Lucid, what's a "Whirligig"...is that a merry-go-round, but in fairyland?
The idea that you would imply that I am illiterate, that I don't know how to use syntax....this is all simply an attack on me personally, and has nothing to do with anything I have said about films. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it!
And besides, who in hell are you to criticize me personally, or to hint that I should hold my tongue (whenever someone like you says, "not that you should do such and such"...the last thing you mean is "not")?
I bet if we were standing face to face, you would not be so inclined to make such observations aloud...(And if you can't follow THAT syntax...perhaps natural selection will come knocking at your door soon, you never know!)
Both you and your bed buddy Rich are pathetic. When either of you (not that I don't know you're the same little fool) have something that's actually substantive to say about the Jurassic Park series, it might be worth reading...but I doubt it. Slither back to your small town newspaper, where you feel more comfortable talking about film with whomever might be interested in what you have to say.
Criticize my syntax and spelling all you like, I welcome it, I'm not perfect...it's your way of coping with the fact that you can't adequately dispute my thoughts about films...I understand, really.
So go dream your "Deliverance" butt-rape dreams, and be happy, my little super freak.
You might have noticed that my responces to you contained alot of sexual references and inuendos. The reason is and I'll be the first to admit this is that I'm sexually confused. I admit it, when you first signed your name I thought you were a girl. Kelly is a girls name afterall. The thing is now I don't care. I find myself strangely attracted to you. You are smarter than me and I am going to assume that you make more money then I do.That pretty much means you could support me both financially and emotionally.
If you're interested, please email me privately. Maybe I could kick your ass and maybe I don't care anymore. I want you and that matters the most to me. My hope and dream is that you feel the same way.
And that's something the two people above won't do. Why? Who knows. Who is the imposter? Only a real hacker, or a moderator, could know. I do not.My mistake was not checking the little box (like I just now did when I changed my moniker) so that no one could pose as me (not that some Asylum insider couldn't skirt their rules as they wish...I have a history of pushing them into such behaviour at other sites.)
I admit, the above is quite humerous, and I did find it funny. It does almost look like something I could have posted, so bravo, mr. or miz imposter. However, IT'S THE LAST TIME YOU CAN IMPERSONATE ME...and I apologize to the dozens of others who I am sure would have also loved to try, but now you won't "officially" get your chance.
So true as well. There is no absolute reference for what is good or bad music/film etc. But I wish there where more films inbetween the joke a minute/pop culture/slick Hollywood film and the often boring "Art"/Pretentious movies. Music on this planet has enough diversity. Film however is not representative of the talent that is around. I suppose this is primarily caused by the high costs?
(nt)
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