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In Reply to: Yep, I hated that ending too; it almost looked tacked on as an afterthought! :o( posted by Audiophilander on August 06, 2001 at 07:45:26:
As the original had the 3 liberal orangutans portraying see no evil, hear no evil, & speak no evil, but the undeniable conservative chimpanzees' embrace of Taylor was the only potential for Ape developement. However, this was ostracised by the liberal communtity. Zaius was another example of liberal piety where lies are considered a superior morality to the truth.Or, did you want to spin those facts too?
....just my 2¢
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Mart--Whatever, dude.
I guess Tim Burton felt compelled to monkey around with the original's subplot in view of how extreme the radical right has become, right? Seriously, I've scanned literally dozens of reviews of the original movie and Ape's film series, many through google, and nearly all of the critics drew exactly the opposite conclusion from yours (i.e., the chimpanzees who embrace Taylor are in fact Liberal, and the militant gorillas are Conservative and anything BUT compassionate!).I'll assume that you were just being facetious with that little righty-rant. :o)
AuPh
Why would a conservative take over a country through military power? We are interested in raising the economic tide to persuade the enemy unless they attack us for which we will have a stronger military than they. It's sort of like taking Karate in order to avoid a fight.In the last century, it was the mainly liberal socialist-communist & liberal national-socialist who have initiated violence in order to oppress more people & acquire more real estate through pure power.
But, I guess you'll spin that too.
....just my 2¢
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llllllllllllll duhhhhhhhh,Read some history mate
> > it was the mainly liberal socialist-communist & liberal national-socialist who have initiated violence in order to oppress more people & acquire more real estate through pure power < <Nazis in Germany? Fascists in Italy? Japanese militarists? Any of those right wing (i.e. conservative) political movements ring a bell?
nt
....just my 2¢
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We're off to Superman's Bizarro World where everything is the opposite of Earth if you're characterizing the Axis powers as "liberal".
you must a contestant on "Street Smarts"
....just my 2¢
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nt
I'm with you here Rob, it seems like Mr Mart here has no idea what he was writing about, and after reading your submission realised his mistake. (notice the inability to admit to his glaring errors)Liberal Nazis........heh heh heh.......
;^>
....just my 2¢
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Quite right. Liberals have their eyes and ears fuzzed-over. To the extent conservatives believe in military power, it's about protection from foreign governments. At home, they want LESS government power. Liberals OTOH always seek *extension* of government power. Which direction is more likely to result in a police state? Hmmm?clark
There is absolutely NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between liberals (Dems) and conservatives (Reps). Both want larger more powerful governments. Their only goals are to ATTAIN and RETAIN power. There has not been a president, or national political leader from either side who has actually downsized the Federal governmentduring my lifetime. From Kennedy to Clinton, the federal budget has been LARGER when the administration changed hands than it was when the Prez took office. This was especially true after Reagans 8 years. And don't blame the liberals. Reagan got essentially the budget $ he asked for each year.And no one likes over seas military action more than conservatives (Reps). Let's not forget Grenada, Gulf War, Panama, Somolia (George I actually sent the troops in!!), and of course all of those "covert" actions in Central America during the Reagan years.
Conservatives. Indeed!!!
Also please don't confuse "conservatives" such as myself, with political leaders; none of us here have much truck with those guys. Trouble is, liberals *do* identify with their political leaders -- Teddy Kennedy, Barney Frank, Tom Daschle, Dick Gephardt -- and are therefore indistinguishable from them in their longing for a more extensive, powerful, all-seeing, overbearing government.clark
..."And no one likes over seas military action more than conservatives (Reps). Let's not forget Grenada, Gulf War, Panama, Somolia (George I actually sent the troops in!!), and of course all of those "covert" actions in Central America during the Reagan years."..."Liberals like to bomb aspirin factories! And occupy Bosnia! Haiti!"
Well that's just great! Now who are the rest of us going to bomb and/or occupy? The Ls and the Cs already got all the good countries! Oh well, there is still Easter Island...
Yes! Iceland, at last our own country to stamp on! Damn snooty Iceland with all its um, er, ice...B^F
I guess you didn't read Red Storm Rising.
(nt)
;^>
....just my 2¢
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Oh! BTW, we Liberals aren't as hard-line as you may think... soft water is yours for the asking! So, have you taken your meds today? 8^)AuPh
... the glass is twice the size required for the job.;^>
....just my 2¢
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You look at other peoples shoes.No,really some of my best friends are engineers.OK,I probably would be one too but my math is terrible so I became a sculptor.I still get to make and destroy cool stuff,play with molten metal while juggling chain saws, but all on paper first.(grins)
David
... then went to drafting ... then wanted to know more about what I was drawing. Civil Engineering was tedious. Electrical was rather predictable. Nuclear was a tad too both esoteric & empirical for me to feel comfortable predicting. Chemical seemed presumptuous in that they didn't bother explaining left & right hand molecules in biochemistry. So, I stuck with Mechanical because primarily when things move stuff gets damn interesting. Plus, my art background seemed to train my mind to predict vibrational motion & flexture in quasi-stationary complex 3D objects as well as other phenomena.PS: Yes, I was always good in math. However, what I didn't realise was how much writing came with the job.
....just my 2¢
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(nt)
I agree, when you follow the two most important trails, voting records and money ( contributions, expenditures, budgets) a much different picture develops than what is presented by either "side".www.opensecrets.org
http://www.hc.cc.tx.us/library/voterec.htm
http://www.govspot.com/shortcuts/votingrecords.htm
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