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In Reply to: Woody Allen:::/Long.... posted by gware on February 06, 2002 at 02:16:59:
He-he, Eric, looks like we touched the nerve here.Anyway, I am still a bit puzzled by your rejection of Woody, but let me emphasize the point I was trying to make. He is not a great director in the ever-lasting sense, not one of the titan what walked the Earth (mostly the European part of it). However he is in my view a rather interesting director with a unique approach and vision.
However, his main role to me ramains that of an outsider and the leader, the speerhead of a small "democratic" opposition if you will, to the well-oiled juggernaut that has managed to destroy almost any chance of good fimls appearing in America. In that particular case the pray turned out to be too stubborn - not did it not just disappear, but it kept making films, each one of which is still an event.
So let's look at the same question from the different perspective - is he not the best director in the US today? Let's give him his true and well deserved credit - in the sea of french fries, Tarantinos, Spielbergs, Lucas', Stones, Scotts, etc, etc, etc who else produces films like Woody? Noone, unfortunately. And as I mentioned before, I presume the pressure on him is relentless.
So I am thankful to the man for keeping the US still on the map as a country where at least *some* good films would be made. Sometimes that in itself is a tremendous achievement.
Regarding your interesting observations about Schindler... I agree, BUT... remove that sentimental note and you have a marketplace bummer. Here in the US the only way to score high with the public was to throw them that stale "feel good" bone.
As a general rule, the American public can't take the reality. They universally see the reality as gray, pale, boring. They see the emotions and sufferings of normal, real human beings as trivial and lacking zest. So the industry delivers the spice. It comes in many forms and we know them all.
Bad spice is used in bad films, and there is no ambiguity. But what usually passes here for "good" film, a film that generates huge profits and creates crowds, is usually full of *good* artificial sweetener.
Usually that is the feel-good theme, of which the Americans are the Grandest of the Grand Masters. Where else would you see produced such marvels like the Rain Man? Jeez.... What would be left in that "film" if one were to remove the most silly scenes of counting matches, etc? Just another cheap cliche that works like a charm.
That good spice is actually the reflection of the basically good and humane nature of the Americans, it is just kept undeveloped, unfortunately, at the rather naive level. Why? Because it is easier to make another Schindler than another Autumn Sonata.
You see that theme in many recent films. It is the same in the Private Ryan, and there the syrup is dumped by truckloads - all those most idiotic and in poor taste scenes at the cemetary were beneath any serious filmmaker.
Follow Ups:
Precisely, it's all about the bottom line and appealing to the lowest common denominator. I keep watching Woody Allen films in the hope he will one day produce a "La Strada" or even a "1900"; he has do drop the nervous schtick; it was OK as standup comedy 35 Years ago, and realise that "less is more".
An Artist MUST progress; a Director is only as good as his last film.
If I can paraphrase Mr. Allen; "A Director's muse is like a shark; it has to keep moving forward or die, and what I think we have here is a dead shark..."
Pedro Almoldovar's film "About My Mother" (Japanese title) has believable characters that are (thankfully) not whining about their inadequacies and failed relationships; they are brave, caring and credible. This is way beyond the level of mere soap opera. As a Director Almoldovar has progressed in leaps and strides. Spike Lee has given us "Clockers" and "Malcolm X" and Mike Leigh "Secrets and Lies", all considerably more credible and emotionally involving than Mr. Allens recent work IMHO. I think as Woody Allens odometer clicks closer to the big "Seven-Oh" we just might get to see his Masterwork.
As for Spielberg; he relentless researches the authenticity of Sets, Uniforms and equipment; and then gives us drivel as dialog in "Ryan" that are words that no WW-2 grunt would have ever dreamed of uttering; a total joke!
Eric
Tokyo*
La Strada, hun? But are you sure Maestro himself could produce it again?I am not sure I agree with your statement about the "last film". Was Kubrick only as "good" as his last film, a complete disgrace IMO?
I think we should accept the notion that careers have ups and downs, and are mostly uneven progressions.
And Spielberg.... ah, forget it, don't want to spoil my morning. Have a good one in Tokyo - beautiful city.
My use of "last fim" would've probably been better served by "latest film". Yeah, Kubrick was extremely "hit and miss", his "last" film was pretty awful to be sure.
Without Anthony Quinn, "La Strada" would be unrepeatable by any Director; Fellini included. I think many of AQ's films were so indelibly stamped with his unique brand of joie de vivre that only Quinn could have played those characters. Such is the nature of such rarified and collosal talent; it is unrepeatable.
I was using "La Strada" more as an emphasis of the type of quality Film Woody Allen I'm sure is capable of; moreover, what I expect from him.
I notice on the forum you have mentioned "Solaris" many times, are you familiar with Tarkovsky's "The Stalker?"
Thanks for the "have fun in Tokyo"; please enjoy the USA, I doubt you could do anything but enjoy, it's a great place too!
Eric
Tokyo*
When I think of La Strada the first thing that I see is Masina's face, and only then AQ's. I always thought SHE made the film. But there is little question, they both were great there. And as far as her best role that is Cabiria... no ifs... Unforgettable and soooo human... soooo un-Hollywood.See my comments at top of this page re. Stalker. Maybe I should reread the novel and THEN try again.
America IS a great place. But my wife would go again to Japan in a microsecond. Many Westerners feel uncomfortable there, but we felt completely at ease each time.
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