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In Reply to: Re: except for subs posted by Estes on April 03, 2002 at 14:02:19:

>>>"You basically end up with pure mono and no sound stage."<<<
yes, and what's the deal with that?
I put the center channel speaker back in it's box after barely an hour of life over the TV. It was too horrible, looked stupid, and caused me to buy a 5-channel amp when (at least) two McCormack DNA 0.5's are sitting in the audiophile closet (don't look in the audiophile closet--title of the new Stephen King book)

but I did buy a monster sub (18" velo) that seats six, takes up half of the family room (you don't want to put a chair or sofa near it--sub-sonic have a lubricating effect on the large bowel), and draws so much current the wife can't do her ironing until I unplug it.
the horror of home theater...

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Re: we share exactly the same experience... - Estes 15:27:56 04/03/02 (5)
I think home theatre was designed for the people who don't set up things properly, but want the "lastest" toys. The centre gives dialogue in this case. In our case, the centre is a big waste of time as our "stereo" speakers do mono just fine and sound better to boot. At least I went cheap and did not spend too much on the whole mess.
- wise move - petew 15:49:09 04/03/02 (4)
  i went costly and have turned over my HT gear at least five times so far...
  there's no way HT is going to be as easy as 2-channel stereo was...
  anyone who bought a good 2-channel 40 years ago is pretty much where we are today...better in the opion of the SET, horns, and vinyl ward
  but even a 2 month old HT processor is instantly out of date--you have to have component video switching or you're DOA.
  who can predict what the next instantly obsolete video technology will be?
  - The next obsolete home theater technology - Homer 17:34:04 04/03/02 (3)
    > who can predict what the next instantly obsolete video
    > technology will be?
    Analog video switching and I/O. First, we'll get DVI or whatever.
    Also, I wonder what the solution will be to using one PVR to record digital broadcasts, satellite, and digital cable. It seems like you'd want to use your PVR to switch all those sources, but there are still some sources you want to switch with your receiver. Having two tier switching is annoying.
    
    Anyhow, if you're going to have a proper home theater, you pretty much need to build the house around it. :)
    - you pretty much need to build the house around it - petew 06:19:42 04/04/02 (2)
      Homer that is so true
      i was down at the high-end emporium last week
      with the intent of solving my video switching problem once and for all:
      i was prepaired to spend up to $6000 just so i wouldn't have to:
      --shut the system down
      --move the speakers
      --move the video furnature
      --find my glasses
      --trace the cables back to the components
      --unhook the cables
      --find a flashlight
      --reconnect the cables to the new source component
      --push the furnature back
      --pull the furnature out again to reconnect all the power cords that have fallen off (what is the deal with high-end power cords--why are the connections so loose?
      --push the furnature back
      --reposition the speakers
      --sequentially power up the system (fingers crossed)
      only to discover that i got the green in the red or missed the proper rca connection entirely...
      every time i want to switch from satellite to DVD...
      as it turns out, none of the 8 employees at the high-end emporium knew how to solve my problem, but they did take my money.
      while waiting for them to decide how much they should take, i wandered into the Magnaplanar 3.6r room. my goodness--they were doing a wonderful job of teleporting me to Lincoln Center...
      and i was thinking...now why can't i get that kind of holographic depth??? and i realized that my listening room is just not big enough...I needed more depth, more width, and more height than my 8' ceilings allowed.
      conclusion:
      "you pretty much need to build the house around it"
      
      that is so true.
      - Huh? No, I was serious. - Homer 04:17:54 04/10/02 (1)
        
        In Reply to: you pretty much need to build the house around it posted by petew on April 04, 2002 at 06:19:42:
        
        Ooh, Homer no think beer well without.
        
        > with the intent of solving my video switching problem once
        > and for all:
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        > every time i want to switch from satellite to DVD...
        
        I meant that people will get components (HD Broadcast receivers, DVD players, DVHS, etc.) that have DVI outputs. They'll want to switch these signals, so analog video switching & I/O will become obsolete, and everyone will have to upgrade their receivers for the 5th time in the past decade.
        Also, I was musing that I think there will be issues, as soon as there exist multiple broadcast sources (i.e. digital cable, HD Broadcast, and digital satellite), with digital outputs, that people want to use a single PVR to record from. Either the PVR must have multiple inputs, and these peripherals would have digital outputs, or you'd need to always route them through the PVR, which creates a two-tier switching topology. There's the additional problem that the PVR would need to control these peripherals, so whatever you hook 'em up with better have bidirectional communication capabibilities. Hopefully, the same transport will also be used for both video and audio, or that'll be another mess.
        So, the future of home theater continues to be clouded by digital interconnect standards, content protection mechanisms, and interoperability issues.
        The worst part of it is that none of these are particularly difficult problems. They'll be complicated by new content protection schemes, but it basically comes down to the fact that the home theater equipment industry can't get its act together, due to all the outside forces. It also doesn't help that these manufacturers profit from continual obsolescence, hence we come full-circle. D'oh!
        
        I know you are, but are you insane? - petew 07:28:20 04/10/02 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Huh? No, I was serious. posted by Homer on April 10, 2002 at 04:17:54:
        
        Hi Homer,
        yes i understood your posts, and love the points you've made. as far as I can tell, you are the first person to recognize the issues.
        I spent some hours in a very high end video store these past weekends, and was simply dumbfounded at how little the store personel knew. I talked to their "professional" video expert calibrater/technician/installer for about two hours, and came away with a clear impression that he had no idea what was going on in "home entertainment". No idea at all. He can make the parts work, but not together.
        But hey, there's a light...check out the new Denon AVR5803 HT receiver. It has video conversion / switching built in! Now you can go from video composit to S-video/component, with enough component inputs to postpone obsolesence for weeks!
        That's right Homer, sell all your gear and get ready for the next new technology of the week!
        (read any good Japanese/English/French/German/Spanish/Italian/Farsi owner's manuals lately?)
        
        http://www.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2

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