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In Reply to: Re: except for subs posted by Estes on April 03, 2002 at 14:02:19:
That the center is used for so much is a reason to get a really good one. If you aren't getting good sound staging, and your speakers are properly positioned and adjusted, then it's the fault of the mix.The reason to use a center channel is if not all the viewers can sit well centered between the left and right speakers. Try turning off your center channel and using a phantom. Now, walk from the left edge of your viewing area to the right, and back again. Do this while there's some highly monaural material playing, and you'll hear the image moving across the sound stage, towards whatever side you're at. So, viewers to the left and right sides of the viewing area get a better center image, if you use a real center speaker.
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yes Homer, I think Estes and cfraser and I have fooled around with this concept for a while and decided that there's a trade-off of weird audio perceptions...having a mono center channel without any sense of space, or an image shift following you around the room...of the two, we've decided we don't walk around much while engaged in the film, and anyone watching with us dumb enough to sit way over to the side of the monitor--"screw 'em".
couldn't have said it better cf..
the home theater facists are trying to sell us a whole bunch of speakers and amps and wild surround algorythms--what, they're up to 7, 8, or is it 11 speakers now, and so many processing modes the film is half over before i can scroll to the "correct" decoding program?!
I'm a bit pissed at myself for getting a sub-woofer. the main R + L speakers do plenty good at "effects", and are brilliant at LF information in the music audio band. what was I thinking?
few of us have rooms as large as those in the HT stores--with their 10-foot ceilings--so why did I buy all this gear?
i certainly don't need all these amps and speakers to get a stunningly good movie experience in "surround".
now here am i selling it off...i bet alot of us have evolved to this point...right Estes?
Until I got it set up properly I was definately thinking of selling the crap off. Now I might sell it off ;-) Lucky for me I had picked up the Technics processor for cheap & the same goes for the 3 channel amp.
What you suggest depends on the room and position of speakers etc. In my case playing "The Saint" (which was done in living mono), the voices come from the TV no matter where you sit (albeit with some slight shifting). You simply cannot get soundstage from mono, that was the point of having 2 speakers (stereo), to get soundstage and depth rather than the flat sound that is mono.
The system director (moi) sits in the middle, so screw 'em. Actually, you are quite correct, but some systems seem to do a great job of mixing the center to R and L, not bad at all for a typical home-sized room grabbed for the HT. I'm wondering if there are different algorithms (or whatever) for this, or if some systems just give you more control over the phantom setup, such as the mixed level. I'm pretty sure mine doesn't allow the phantom center level to be separately controlled.
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