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Pete, I read your post regarding the panasonic plasma displays below. I am looking for a 50" display and am going to be using it for HT (via a DVP-9000ES) and regular TV viewing about 50/50. I have decided to go this route because my audio system uses an open baffle speaker design and I finally decided not to seperate my HT and 2 Channel system due to space constraints. I have read many of the reviews and have looked on the avs forum and it seems that the Panasonic and NEC displays would be good choices at this time. I know the panasonic will do deeper blacks (some people report that it is at the expense of low level details) and that it's been reported that the NEC has a better picture when using a standard cable signal (still not certain if my new place of residence will allow me to hand a dish). What's your take on these 2 displays?Audio System:
Sony SCD-1
Rogue Audio 99 Magnum preamplifier with RCA VT-321 tubes
Rogue Audio M-120 Magnum Monoblocks with (1) RCA command 5751 (2) RCA Clear Top Side Getter 12AU7 and EH 6550s
Alon Lotus Signature Loudspeakers
Acoustic Zen Silver Reference Interconnects
Alon Black Orpheus Triwire Speaker Cable
Harmonic Technology Pro AC-11 on all components
Symposium Rollerblocks (Tungsten Grade 3) and Symposium platforms under all components, speakers and external crossovers
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I've only seen them in store demmos, and did not see them side by side, let alone with the same input signal.with the 50" sets make sure you check out the viewing distance with a regular programing broadcast as they can get pretty grainy with a low-res signal. you might want to think about a distance of over 12 feet...but you check it yourself. this has to do with the way the on-board scaler/processor handles a low-res signal. i don't believe it's important enough to matter--the difference is so slight between the two sets. if it bothers you check out an outboard processor. see the native rate scalers from Faroudja or Runco. (I almost bought a Runco video processor last weekend, but the store was broken into the night before and they wouldn't let me do the demo. You'd never guess what they stole--yep, they ripped a plasma screen right off the wall! walked right past a $45,000 DLP (much easier to carry) and took a $6000 plasma...wires hanging out of the wall...it must have been funny as hell...what are they going to do with it? dollars to donuts they go back to the store to ask them how to hook it up...)
With a high-res signal your mind will explode so don't worry about it. the colors man, look at the colors!
yes plasmas have a "soft" look about them. but it's not for lack of detail, it's the quality of light comming from them that does it. the glowing hot gas with the 16.7 million color spectrum--nobody else can touch that! that's what gives plasma that unique 3-dimensional feel. sure, a good CRT is crisp and sharp, but you check them out side by side with a plasma and i'm betting you'll take the 3D with the great colors every single time.
I've looked at the Sony, Hitatchi, Fujitsu, Pioneer, but there's something about the NEC and Panasonic that just grabs your mind...I can't explain it. you can't lose between these two. I liked the color of the bezel on the panny.be advised that the NEC inputs on the side of the set, while the Panny inputs from the bottom. this might make a difference to you when you route the cables--and keep in mind that you may want to use the table top mount (so the NEC would be easier with the side inputs) or the wall mount (favors using the Panny inputs, and routing the wires behind the drywall for that very cool, clean, picture window look).
so make sure to check out the number and type of inputs. people are always forgetting to check out the back of the high-end gear--to me, that's the most important part of electronics.
please be advised that plasma displays have a "burn-in" issue. they come from the factory with the white level (brightness) set way too hot. this is so they look good in the store demo under all that florescent lighting. you need to get into the menu and set this way back, and then adjust the black level (contrast). don't freak out--you won't lose that beautiful color, your eyes will adjust and actually feel better for it. also, you need to program and run the white bar scroll. If you buy from a dealer insist they send out a professinal to calibrate the set in your home. they have the pro gear to do this, you can't. there's something here I need you to read...wait, let me look for it...
yea here it is, click the link below...
read through this and think it over. for the price of the 50" plasmas you are getting very close to the DLPs. you might want to take your time with this. please post what you find out. believe it or not, i have no idea what i'm talking about, but i seem so convincing, don't you think?
also, read everything, and I mean click on every link you can find when you get to this other place: http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com
(plasma rules : wait till you see the color!)
Pete:What picture and brightness settings do you run for you 42"TH42PWD4UY?
Mike
....the "rainbow effect" ? I had someone bring their little NecLT150 over so I could witness the unit in my room/setup. It was all of 10 seconds before I saw this rainbow effect, and as good as the little bugger was, there is no way I could live with it. Of course, this was a DLP that goes for under 2 grand - Have they solved the rainbow problem with the more expensive units (ones that you say are as pricey as 50" plasmas)?
Thanks Pete, I already checked into the input issue. I'm leaning towards the NEC because I never know what may happen in the future. I may end up hooking up my computer to it (nice to have that split screen feature) and possibly an X-Box, but it's not high on my priority list. I figure connections will be DVD via component, VHS via S-Video (if no Sat), Cable through VCR also out of the S-Video (or should I consider a better way to do this?) or Sat through S-Video (depending on which I end up with), Possibly computer, Possibly x-box (also thorugh component). The NEC has provisions to hook up 2 component signals, albeit one of them is BNC. Logical thinking, or no?
that's the very issue that's making me crazy...i thought i could connect the HDTV tuner via the 15pin D-sub VGA input but the scaler freaks out, giving me a half-size image centered on the screen.so i though i'd use a video processor to do the input switching, but the video guy got confused--we spent over an hour pouring over circuit diagrams...he had me up to ~$7000 just so i could switch between two signals...i had to get out of there.
what i know now: there's not a single person anywhere who understands this video stuff...
not a single one
Pete,Maybe there is something I'm missing here, but aren't you going through a lot of trouble for something that (supposedly) has a fairly simple solution? That being a simple video component switching box - multiple component in -> single component out. Y'know... something like these:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/hometheaterworld/keydigtwocha.html
http://209.248.228.2/aacconsumers/90a53.html
While those models cost a few hundred bucks, that is still a heck of a lot cheaper than the scalers you've been looking at. I hear of people buying pretty cheap video switch boxes at Radio Shack that perform flawlessly (to the naked eye).
As I mentioned in another thread, my plan is to use a Pioneer 49TX receiver to do my switching with the Panny (component an otherwise). However, if I notice any degradation of component signals I plan to simply by a switcher.
Rich H.
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