 
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
|
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
In Reply to: Anyone have Panasonic DVD-RP62 or RP82 yet?? posted by Aroc on July 09, 2002 at 09:16:05:
I returned it. Motion artifacts galore and moire.
Follow Ups:
Seems like the HTPC is your best bet for FP image quality.
I've experimented with htpc for DVD, but I've yet to be satisfied. Although built primarily for DVD playback, my latest is being used for HDTV OTA reception. Still trying with DVD though.
> > I've experimented with htpc for DVD, but I've yet to be satisfied.Same here. Still playing with custom resolutions, till now HTPC hasnt given me any significant video advantages over 4 year old Toshiba SD-3109 interlaced DVDP displayed on JVC 48WP30. JVC is upconverting everything to 1080i (and it is doing a pretty good job of it), which doesnt allow me to see the differences at various resolution.
BTW, have you used RP56 before. How does that compare to RP62?
***BTW, have you used RP56 before. How does that compare to RP62?***Haven't tried the 56. The zealots claim the 62 has the same video chips. Based on what I saw from the 62, I hope not. The 62 had a great picture when the content was relatively simple and didn't have a lot of motion. The picture went to hell with motion, diagonal lines, closely spaced vertical lines, etc. I'm wondering if all the hype about these Panasonic players is justified.
I've used an HTPC (1.3 Pentium III, Radeon 8500, Power DVD) with a multiscan CRT front projector, so I didn't have the upconverting limitation. Despite that, I had problems with horizontal and vertical lines outside the image area, excessive flicker (even at 72hz), artificial color, picture grain, average sound, etc. More experimentation is in order (I'm going to try a Radeon 7500), but I'm not that hopeful. The HTPC isn't a complete waste though because I use it for HDTV OTA tuning (MyHD card) fed to a Toshiba 40 inch rear projector.
...and the M-Audio or RME cards should give you much better digital or analog out than a Soundblaster. Perhaps your 8500 would look better with the latest drivers, it seems that many of the AVS forum members are satisfied with Radeons outputting to CRT FPs, so there must be a way to make it look great with sufficient tweaking. I'm running a Radeon 32 SDR to a Sony RPTV, so the interlaced resolutions look best to me, given my scan frequency limitations. 1800x960i looks wonderful, and I've tweaked the refresh and scan rates so the picture looks quite solid. I do notice flicker sometimes on scrolling text during movies, however.
I'm aware of the M-Audio and might try that at some point, but I don't want to spend more money improving the audio until I can eliminate the video issues. Right now, the HTPC is either an expensive HDTV tuner with excellent recording capabilities built in, or an expensive DVD player with unacceptable performance with my front projector. Its DVD performance with my rear projectors is fine, but so far, doesn't justify the expenditure.
...apparently the 56 & 62 suffer form MPEG artifacts and can give a flat videoish look, though their deinterlacing performance is reportedly exemplary.The RP91 has the superior picture and freedom from MPEG issues. The killer with it? Combs on poorly flagged film material. On properly flagged films its beautiful. But if the DVD has improper flagging the player will switch back and forth between film and video mode at scene transitions until it settles back into film mode and you get combs. Drives me nuts on about 1 in 4 DVDs where there will be 10 to 50 combs. Sure, they are momentary and 3 out of 4 discs don't have a single one, but once you see them you start noticing them without even trying and they really break a films continuity. Rumor is that the Kenwood Soverign changer (of all things) has the RP91s picture quailty with superior deinterlacing properties due to using the Sage/Faroujda chip. Havn't seen one to judge for myself though.
It's becoming apparent to me that the DVD consortiums ineptitude in DVD-A is also apparent in the video side as well. Inconsistent DVD mastering / flagging plagues even new releases and the various players & chip sets all introduce their own artifacts and vary widely in their ability to deal with the consequences. Its as though they never created the equivalent of CDs redbook specs to guide content and hardware producers. Or if they did, they made the compliance with them so loose that no one really follows them.
The other thing that's striking is the infant level of player assesment in the field. Each new chipset / player has its own set of artifacts and the reviewers and users who get them compare them to last years players stumbles and proclaim them champions if they overcome them. Problem is they miss the 2 or 3 new problems they've never seen before for 3 months until they figure those out and then all you hear is how bad this player is for this new issue or that new issue. Then the next highly anticipated "killer player" comes along and the whole cycle happens all over again. I surf AVS Forums at times but the amount of useful thought demonstrated by most of the people posting there on DVD hardware is inconsistent at best.
Frankly, it's all a steaming pile of.....
joe
> > I've used an HTPC (1.3 Pentium III, Radeon 8500, Power DVD) with a multiscan CRT front projector, so I didn't have the upconverting limitation.How are you processing audio? My MB Soyo Dragan Ultra's digital passthru' is limited to two channel. Tried its built in 6 channel processor, it sucks.
8500's autodetection of the monitor thru' DVI is limiting me. Havent played around for a couple of weeks now. Need to figure out a way to override radeon detection.
> > Despite that, I had problems with horizontal and vertical lines outside the image area, excessive flicker (even at 72hz), artificial color, picture grain, average sound, etc.
Can your projector do 72Hz? It might be converting it into 30 or 60Hz and generating artifacts in the process.
***How are you processing audio?***Stereo only (I use Duos in that setup). Soundblaster Live to preamp via SPDIF or analog. Both are average.
***Can your projector do 72Hz?***
Yes
Ur talking to the wrong person. HTPC is for those who are not willing to spend money on video processors.
...but there is still an advantage to the HTPC, unless he can go all digital from a modded DVD player(or maybe a high end DVD transport, but I didn't see one listed in Rich's system) to his processor. The computer keeps the signal in the digital domain until the VGA out, avoiding resolution loss from extra A/D and D/A steps.
> > The computer keeps the signal in the digital domain until the VGA out, avoiding resolution loss from extra A/D and D/A steps.Are you suggesting DVD players do D/A--> A/D--> D/A conversions?
DVI is going to be the dominant medium of communication between source and display device.
...I don't think any of the players Rich listed have DVI outputs, nor do I know of any current models under 2k that have them either. I'd be happy to be informed if there are some...
I didn't see any crap with mine, used the same TV (Sony 51HW40) setup as for the RP56, in progressive mode. I forget the TV mode I use, but some other modes cause strange motion artifacts with some DVD's, especially those made of certain TV programs.In case I didn't mention it, side-by-side it was my opinion that the RP56 *looked* better built though, and felt better at the controls.
happens with the best, not just crap, even QC can be bad across the price gamut. The one I had worked perfectly, well, such as it is designed to do... What can I say, you may want to try another RP62 or upgrade/calibrate your TV, the problem isn't in the RP62 in general...check around elsewhere.
the RP62 just sucks. My Toshiba 5109 doesn't have those problems and neither do any of my interlaced players through an external Faroudja.
I got a GOOD one to try, and so has everybody else as far as I've heard, I don't believe EVERYBODY else's TV's are bad. So if you had a bad experience, it might be worthwhile to put it in context. OTOH, if you hate Panasonic for whatever reason, maybe you should say that, I have certain brands myself I would never buy for any reason. OK I'll say it, a marginal one, I don't like Sony, but I like their displays, I would never buy any sort of Sony disc player or receiver etc. again (have a stack of them here, I'm a slow learner). But all my displays are Sony. Weird...Where on earth do you get the idea that because your display device doesn't do "anything" to the signal that it is superior? This is not purist audio at all, processing is required. Mine does do "something" to the signal, and it looks great with the 62. Not as good as the projectors we use at work, but nonetheless good.
***I got a GOOD one to try, and so has everybody else as far as I've heard***The player has only been available for a couple of weeks, so you can't have heard much about it from users.
and I guess a little longer to the privileged. It's just that the RP56 was called "discontinued" for so long, the RP62 was highly anticipated, and with the conflicting info about it out there, info got spread around about it pretty quickly once it was available.I don't know if you consider the RP56 "good", but the Denon 1600 and the 62 are just as "good" re video. I have no problem believing you could have got a flakey example, as the RP62's do not look at all well made, no better than the $80 DVDP's, but they have progresssive scan and some other features.
I read my post later, and it seems kind of rude, I didn't mean to be offensive or put-downish of a system you enjoy. That is what counts, and we all have different criteria for different reasons.[My no-delete policy, except to correct errors, but not the post.]
I saw both at Circuit City last month. Though both did seem to have the heft of a baloney sandwich. (eek!) Though it's unfair to single out either of these units. Nearly all DVD units nowadays are fairly light. I have to keep reminding myself that good transports are not necessarily heavy transports.
you can't even turn it on without it sliding acoss the rack.
I'd be afraid the inertia of the DVD in the tray would also cause the unit to fly backwards (!!). Newton's third law et al. :-O
NT
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Top of Page ]
[ Contact Us ]
[ Support/Wish List ]
[ Copyright © 2024, Audio Asylum, all rights reserved ]
