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In Reply to: Re: I guess I'd better clarify a few things... posted by Rich H on September 26, 2002 at 21:26:37:
Hey Rich,Well...I'll allow that that I may have become a touch [or more] jaded by having to deal with stuff day in, day out. To me a plasma still looks like the "stereotypical" plasma...just better. Perhaps I'm focusing in on the downsides of the technology and not allowing myself to enjoy the show?
I know what a plasmas shortcommings are, and I'd bet that I'm "semi-subconsciously" discounting them because I can still see the problems, while at the same time not objecting to the shortcommings of CRT because "that's the way it's always been". I'll agree that geometry and uneven light output are big strikes against CRT...maybe I'm too forgiving of those problems?
You've got me real curious. We dont have a HD [1024x1024] plasma in the store today...destroyed in a lightening strike/surge and havn't received the new display. When it get's set back up, I'm gonna spend some of my time compairing the two.
Thanks for the input...I really do appreciate it.
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I'm pretty unimpressed with the 1024x1024 ALiS plasmas. In fact, I think the "enhanced" definition Panasonic 42WD5UY beats most any comparable ALiS plasma I've seen. I'd caution against using the ALiS technology plasmas as a yardstick.A better comparison would be the Panny 42HD5UY (true HD capable) or 50HD5UY, the Pioneer 5030HD or non-consumer 503CMX, or the Fujitsu 5004 or 4229 (? I think that's right). Maybe an NEC. The Sampos, Samsungs, and Phillips can't hold a candle these displays IMO.
There are trade-offs, no matter which way you go with a HD display. Dollar for dollar, a properly calibrated CRT RP is probably the best bang for the buck. But HD on a great plasma looks not like a TV, it looks like a window onto the world. To my eyes.
BTW, I auditioned the Hovland (beautiful piece of gear) but found it, despite its gorgeous top end, to be less dynamic and not as good in the bass as I wanted for my system. I kept my Joule-Electra, and eventually bought a First Sound Presence Deluxe Mk II with NOS tubes. That doesn't mean one of us was wrong. :-)
Hey Steve,It sure is difficult to come to firm conclusions about picture quality in these discussions. Not just because it's so subjective, but because it's hard to see many displays of any type set up with proper care. I wouldn't want to make my judgements on picture quality based only on what I'd seen in stores. Luckily, I have friends in the AV business who have careful set-ups, and in my film post production facilitites I have access to displays of all types, professionally calibrated. That's why I feel a little more confidence that I am comparing the different display technologies on a somewhat even playing field.
I must say that, as good as I thought the Panasonic plasma looked in the store set-ups, once I'd intalled one with care in my home (good power/cables/DVD player etc.) the picture available was significantly better than I'd ever seen. I still rarely encounter a plasma in a store that approaches the picture quality I'm getting at home. I'm sure this is true of all types of displays.
Rich H.
Be careful with your judgement using ALiS type displays (1024x1024). These use a psuedo 60hz interlaced method of imaging and many people who've looked at 858x480 progressive "lower definition" plasmas and the ALiS displays have preferred the image quality of the 858x480 res displays.
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