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In Reply to: SONY DVS-7000 posted by RC on November 26, 1999 at 20:25:35:
The 7000 was Sony's first outing for DVDPs and it was produced beginning 2 years ago (give or take). I don't know what was meant by "Macrovision." This is not a term that is commonly associated with DVDPs--watch out for the sales tech-jargon. The newer version (of which I am a proud owner) outperforms the 7000 across the board. As in any first-generation product, the 7000 had it's shortcomings, but it was (and still is) a very competant performer. The 7700 has some features the 7000 didn't have, and I think it looks and sounds better. The 7700 for example, could easily perform a dual role as your primary CDP as well (it has dual discrete pickups for both DVD and CD playback). Is it worth $550? Depends on your budget. For $400 more you could have the newer version which would be covered under a warranty (the 7000 probably wouldn't given it's age) and would perform better.
Hope this helped!
I still have my DVP-S7000. I can't comment on video but I did a side by side audio comparison at home between the 7000 and the 7700 using several well recorded CD's and in my system the 7000 did a better job on music. The video was likely better on the 7700 but it was not as good for me on CD's so I returned it to the dealer. I was a bit suprised at this result since Sony makes some decent CD players and I expected the 7700 to be an "across the board" improvement over the 7000. Please keep in mind that this test was done in my system, your mileage may vary.
"The 7000 was Sony's first outing for DVDPs and it was produced beginning 2 years ago (give or take)."Not to mention their best DVD player to date.
" I don't know what was meant by "Macrovision." This is not a term that is commonly associated with DVDPs--watch out for the sales tech-jargon."
Macrovision is not "sales tech-jargon" and IS commonly assosiated with DVD players to this day. All DVD players have to have Macrovision chips in them. Macrovision is the copy protection implemented by DVDs to prevent the tapeing of movies by a VCR (not to mention some with projection TVs say that it screws with the picture sometimes). To answer the original question, the first production run of 7000s featured two DIP switches on the main board of the player. One switch was the region code defeat, and the other was the Macrovision defeat. This means that if you have one of these you can disable region codeing and Macrovision with out any modifications to the player. This is the ONLY player ever to have this feature. NOTE: ONLY the first run had these switches. Later ones did not.
"The newer version (of which I am a proud owner) outperforms the 7000 across the board."
No it doesn't. The 7700 will not display the "blacker than black" on the pluge test pattern. The 7000 will. At best the 7700 may be the equal of the 7000 in video, and may be a little inferior than the 7000 for audio.
"As in any first-generation product, the 7000 had it's shortcomings, but it was (and still is) a very competant performer."What "shortcomings" are you refering to? First generation infererority is usually true, but on this particular product Sony "nailed it right the first time" and has gone downhill from there with their DVD players. Yes it is a very competent performer. It is the best, IMO, mainstream brand DVD player ever released to date.
"The 7700 has some features the 7000 didn't have, and I think it looks and sounds better."
Like DTS out and some variable audio filters. Did I miss something? Does it have more video adjustments than the 7000?
"The 7700 for example, could easily perform a dual role as your primary CDP as well (it has dual discrete pickups for both DVD and CD playback)."
No way!! A used $600 Meridian 506.18 would kill both the 7000 and 7700 as a CD player! The advantage of the dual pickups is not sound quality, but its ability to read CD-R disks.
"Is it worth $550? Depends on your budget. For $400 more you could have the newer version which would be covered under a warranty (the 7000 probably wouldn't given it's age) and would perform better."
Probably not worth $550 (last time I saw NEW leftover 7000s they went for IIRC $599 or $699) unless you are a serious DVD collector and the 7000 in question features the switces. At the same time it wouldn't be worth spending that much for the 7700 either. Your best bet, if you have to have DVD now, is to buy a $300 DVD player now, and next year or two spend the "big bucks" on a universal DVD/DVD-A/SACD player.
"Hope this helped!"
What? misinformation?
P.S. eventhough I am pro 7000, I do not own one. This is not owner bias.
1. I was not aware that Macrovision referred to the protection scheme used by DVD players.
2. I have not been able to run testing procedures both players side-by-side, rather was referring to my subjective opinion that, in the systems I have been able to see/hear (2 dealer systems and 1 friend's system), the 7700 does indeed look and sound better than the 7000. Was it the associated equipment? Maybe, but my opinion remains the same.
3. The shortcomings I refer to are the performance issues I have been able to discern, again, subjectively.
4. No, you didn't miss anything, although the menu systems in the 7700 I think are a little easier to navigate (according to a friend's opinion and my very limited experience with them), although I have not really played around with both players enough to know for sure.
5. I don't have access to a Meridian 506.18. In my system (and others') the 7700 performs very admirably as a CDP. Compared directly to my Adcom GCD-700 the Sony throws a notably wider soundstage with better front-to-back placement, particularly in complex orchestral passages. There are other things I feel the Sony does better sonically but I will refrain from explaining further so as to not draw another attack on my subjective opinions.
Instead of attacking what you claim is misinformation it would have been tremendously more polite had you instead asked why I stated the information as I had. I will apologize for my ignorance re: what "macrovision" is (and will thank you, Mike for explaining how this works), but will not withdraw or change any of my other statements. They are based on my direct viewing and listening experience with these units. I care not whether you agree or whether or not the 7000 actually may "test" better than the 7700. I bought the 7700 based on the performance parameters which were most important to me and do not regret my purchase decision one bit. I will also continue to recommend it as an excellent DVD player which does in fact, IMHO, look and sound better than the older 7000 model.
the 7000 has dual pickups. As such, that's two factual mistakes. Given this, why would anyone trust your subjective opinion?
I didn't say that the 7000 does NOT have dual pickups, I just said that the 7700 DOES.
Have I done something to offend you?
I own the 7700, not the 7000. Why is it that I am being attacked? I apologize if I have provided incorrect information. I may not know everything about the 7000 and I don't care to, but I DO know what I hear and what I see when I have been able to compare these two units side-by-side.
Please cease and desist with these assaults on my subjective opinions. The actual hardware issues are one thing, but my opinions on subjective performance parameters can not be called into play.
Jumping off this silly bandwagon and onto another...I've not seen the 7700 but I did own a 500 (which broke, believe it or not) and upgraded to a 7000. It performed much, much better on video than the 500 which was going for $400 at that time. I suspect it's close to the 530 model that's being sold now.
I would say that the 7000 is probably worth $550 if for no other reason than the really incredible picture and the fact that it's nicely built and will probably last a while. It does a decent job as a CD player too, better than my old HK 8540 in any event (which also cost $400) although it is no match for Meridian to be sure.
Right now I'm using the 7000 as a transport feeding into a Lexicon DC-1 which is my compromise to having two completely different systems for HT and audio. I'd say it does a pretty good job as a transport but I will also admit that I don't have any other transports around for comparison; nor do I know if the DAC on the Lexicon is good enough to point out the differences if there are any.
In any event, I'm very happy with the 7000 as a DVD player alone and would recommend it to anyone for $550.
Shawn Harvey
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