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In Reply to: Denon AVR-4802 vs Rotel RSX-1065 posted by Peter K on January 09, 2003 at 12:39:24:
I own a 4802. I don't find the remote "horrible." In fact, my wife is quite happy with it as she can operate the entire system from a single remote - and has no trouble doing it. She is quite happy to not have to try and guess which remote operates which piece of equipment. The menu system on the remote is really quite straight forward and not hard to use. It is a learning remote and I have had no problems programming additional equipment and features into it.As far as the difference between the 4802 and 5803, the 5803 has a LOT more features that I determined I would never use - and 40 more Watts per channel when used in surround configuration.
The surround decoding section is very, very good and the system gives you a setup parameters to tweak to your heart's content. The only thing I don't like is the single transformer feeding all channels. I found with my N802's that at THX listening levels, the sound would lose some of the dynamics during sustained loud passages. It would never distort or sound harsh, the sound would just become a bit compressed. All I could figure was the transformer could not recharge the output caps totally during the "loud" period and the N802's want LOTS of current.
I solved the problem by using a VK6200 for the amp and just using the 4802 as a pre-amp. Totally satisfactory as the decoding section and pre-amp are very good, especially when using the "pure direct" mode for stereo only listening.
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Well, you're in a very select group that finds the Atkis remote non-horrible. BTW, don't drop the remote or crack the screen (easy to do) - it's not covered under the 4802's warranty and I've heard many horror stories regarding attempts to get it repaired and/or replaced.As you discovered, the 4802's amps, while competent, are nothing to write home about. Like you, many other 4802 owners eventually end up using it a pre/pro.
So, to recap you spent around $2000 for a mid-fi receiver and still had to throw some more bucks into it for proper amplification. Now compare the 3802 and the 4802 in "pre/pro" mode. I think might agree that at around $700, the 3802 would have been a better buy.
Austin
"I own a 4802. I don't find the remote "horrible." In fact, my wife is quite happy with it as she can operate the entire system from a single remote - and has no trouble doing it. She is quite happy to not have to try and guess which remote operates which piece of equipment. The menu system on the remote is really quite straight forward and not hard to use. It is a learning remote and I have had no problems programming additional equipment and features into it."
...I dropped the remote on the corner of a table & cracked the screen. It was replaced for a $15.00 shipping charge and the new one had upgraded software. You may not like the remote - that's your choice. I've never had anyone spend more than 1-2 minutes playing with it before they understood how it worked. Seems really simple to me and at least 5 other people.You select the device from the left hand menu. The device controls come up on the screen and you control the device. To control another device, you select it from the left hand menu. Device comes up, etc. On those devices (like the receiver) that have more controls than can be displayed on 1 page, you use either the joy stick or the arrows at the top of the menu page to access the next page.
This is difficult?? Wow! Like the recipe for ice cubes, maybe?
No, actually the 3802, for my use, would NOT have been a better buy as the the 3802 did not have THX processing and that WONDERFUL remote.
Also, I do use the amp section of the 4802 to drive 2 separate zones of outdoor speakers, which I can do independently with this receiver. So really, I'm quite happy with the choice. I'm also sure that with different speakers (not quite so current hungry), the receiver would have been just fine. I have a friend with the 3802 driving Klipsh and it works/sounds fine for his use.
So, let's get this straight - you don't own a 4802, hate the remote, but feel you need to comment on my uses of equipment & choice on how to spend MY money? Hmmmmm....my how arrogant of you.
Don't own one - used to but "downgraded" to 3802 and bought an amp with the difference.Different strokes on the remote - I'll remember your replacement story for reference to owners that have had problems.
THX post wasn't critical for me - I agree some people find it desirable for optimum HT.
As far as dollars, you get 95% of the performance of the 4802 (in pre/pro mode) at much less than 50% of its price by using the 3802. You, as is your right, appear to place a very high value on THX post-processing (around $1,300 to be precise). Your choice.
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