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Which of the current batch of A/V receivers make the quietest and best preamp processors. I will use my main amps for 5 channels and the receiver for 6 and 7. It will obviously need pre outs for all channels and Sacd/DVD-A inputs. I would also like componet switching for the future. I am using full range speakers all around so BM not a concern. I still listen to 2 channel except for movies and occasional SACD so I am using a theater loop for multi channel when going from stereo. Thanks for advice.
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it has all the latest formats 24/192 processors built in base managment etc.
I have considered Outlaw and still do. I was not in a hurry, but tonight my AVR 9080 Newcastle bit the dust. The problems that Outlaw has had in the past few months scare me a little. I think they will get it together but I prefer to wait until they get the bugs out. I am leaning to the Sony ES at this point. I will not need the back amps now as someone backed out on buying my 5 channel Carver and I now have 12 amps to use. I would still rather be in seperates, but the untimely death of my Newcastle will make me move faster unless I can get inside tomorrow and solve the problem. It the meantime I will sit back and listen to my old tubes playing older Records.
reading the Outlaw forum (for the past year)it seems that all the bugs are gone. they have been producing this amp (and clones) for a while now. the main bug was the hiss that seems to be gone now. I don't think you can go wrong. However I would be not consider a used one. You might find a rotel I think 1066 for about 1200 new and better yet for a lot less used. I looked at it when I was in the market and it seemed to have most of the features you need for HT. For 2 channels none come close to a good 2 ch tube amp.
RegardsAmir
On Outlaw I Know of at least 2 major problems discussed on the boards that are relatively reent. The Hiss from late last year and just recently a decoding problem with DTS EX (I believe that was the format). I also am not fond of the BM used in 6 chanel mode. They Rotel I have also considered. I agree on buying not just Outlaw but any processor used. Lot of times a great deal, but a lot of time you inherit someone elses problems. That has happened to me too many times. I have had very few problems buying TT, Speakers, Amps , Preamps and even the ones I had could problems with could be easily fixed. Buying used processors with all functions and software involved, I think I will go for a warrented unit.JLarrry
but are the same problems plaguing the Atlantic Technology and Sherbourn clones?
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Now I may end up with a Outlaw. Now ruling it out, just worried with the bugs. And Yes all the clones seem to have it and Rotel has their on set of problems according to the Outlaws. My decision must come quicker than I had hoped as my Newcastle fried on Sunday night.
I have researched most of models and even listened to the Denon 3803. Of course I could not hear it with my speakers or amps. High End is dead in my area and even mid fi is gasping for air. This leaves me getting ideas and opinions and then taking a leap of faith. I try to buy used where I can to ease the pain if it does not work out. I have a closet full of earlier "leaps" that did not work out. Lately my son in laws have become more audio oriented and my closet has started to empty out without the benefit of return on my investment.
I am currently using a Pioneer Elite VSX-24TX as a pre/pro and surround channel amplifier with a Rotel RMB-1066 amp in bridged mode (150 watts X 3). While it is quiet, no hiss or hum, and very easy to use and flexible, I am coming to believe that, especially for 2-channel unprocessed playback, it is the weak link in my system. Mediocre imaging and soundstaging is one issue. The sound is generally warmer than most A/V receivers I've heard, but still can get hard and edgy in the upper-mid/lower treble range. Also, dynamic range is lacking. Don't get me wrong: for the $680 I paid for it three years ago, it's a great value, but it's not going to be in my system forever. Saving my pennies for a decent pre/pro.
What you say is 100% true.IME using an AVR as a pre/pro is a short-sighted solution.
Sure most AVRs have crummy on-board amp stages but most of their preamp stages aren't much better.However, it appears JLarry already has a good 2 channel preamp for music so in his case hooking up an AVR for HT duties is a good move.
cheerio
I just picked up a Pioneer Elite VSX-45TX from an authorized dealer for $824 shipped. (email me for info) I had the 45 and 3803 side by side and ended up with the Elite. It's a great piece!$0.02
I think that I'm in the same boat. I have a great pre/pro that I love. It is Dolby Digital only with no input for SACD/DVD-A and no component video switching. The current product is like $3,500.. That is just not going to happen.I am thinking that a nice Receiver would work for me as a pre. I would not go with the "flagship" type of receiver. In those you are paying a lot of money for an amp section that you will not use.
Here would be my list of contenders:
Denon 2803 - Of the mid-fi type of Japanese stuff I like denon equipment. This is a 7.1 channel w/ all the bells and whistles.NAD- T752 - My 2-Channel system is NAD and this would be worth a look. I have read that people have concerns about the quality of their HT gear... I have had no problems with my Integrated amp.
Rotel RSX-1055 - I think that they make solid gear, usually slightly more expensive that the NAD, but widely regarded as a great deal in audio.
These are probably all in the $1,000 range. I think that they are listed from least expensive to most.
The above receivers would seem to make good pre/processors and the NAD & Rotel have high current amp sections that could work with 4 ohm speakers.
Good Luck.
Charlie
Thanks Austin,But let me amend that. It was late and I was sleepy and about to go to bed so "best" is not quite the way that should have come out. If I wanted to go for a receiver in the $4K range I would just get a New Processor and a good 2 channel amp. I already have a Newcastle AVP 9080. I want to pick up something to use as a processor that has most of the latest bells and whistles without paying the $4 grand. I am looking for input in the $1000 and under range. I know the brands and models of all the usual suspects, I am trying to find someone with experience in using one as a preamp and getting a opinion on how they sounded. Sorry
JL,In that case, your choice is simple. Denon 3803 for around $850 from an authorized source. All modes, great DACs, a pure direct pass-through, decent amps (especially when mains are off-loaded). Also does high-bandwidth component video switching as well as video upconversion. Nice box. Good luck.
Austin
Since you indicate "best", you're looking at flagships.Current flagship receivers that have been released in the recent past include the Denon AVR5803, the Pioneer Elite VSX49TXi and the B&K AVR507 and AVR505. All would meet your stated requirements.
Other flagships with somewhat older designs will generally not have bandwidth adequate to perform component video switching at HDTV resolutions. Furthermore, they will not have redigitization, bass management and time alignment on the SACD/DVD-A inputs (this may or may not be important to you). They may also be missing one or more of the latest HT decode modes. Finally, older units will not have any provision for digital inteface to hirez sources unlike the units listed above.
Pricing is in the $2500-$3500 range.
Austin
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