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Williak, you made a strong case not to buy equip. with short legs while the digital/hirez is being sorted out. Does the denon 2900 deliver digital hirez in the context of your earlier advice?
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The new Pioneer and Sony, at least some, already have I-link...Also, you can hear the alternative tracks SACD and DVD-A bring, until you have the proper player, the problem is if those formats donīt make it...
Antonio Melo Ribeiro
I bought Stones Thru the Past Darkly Vol II in SACD/CD and the CD layer sounds pretty darn good not as harsh as earlier releases of old Stones. I also bought the new Fleet/Mac as DVDA and the Dolby layer plays well. I can build up my collection slowly.Because of the SACD/DVDA split in the marketplace,if people get the idea that a new tech. is not too far away then consumers will be reluctant commit to SACD/DVDA with a perceived with short life. But, since I grew up with vinyl, CDs still seem new to me. It's hard to imagine that CDs' replacements may have an even shorter life but they might be superceded in less than 10 years from first release.
Wil,Denon's got the 5900 up their sleeve and it will be the killer "full service" universal as far as I can tell.
Unlike the 2900 where Denon punted, they're VERY serious about nailing down a hirez digital interface on the 5900. From what I understand, Denon's trying to get SACD approval for their DenonLink (ain't gonna happen) but will settle for equipping the 5900 with 1384 iLink (is gonna happen). That'll give us Sony, Pioneer and Denon among the majors with 1394 iLink hirez digital interfaces.
That'll put the player question to bed and the others manufacturers will follow with their own iLinked players in short order. The "full service" universals will be a bit pricey to start with but once receivers/pre-pros with 1394 iLink come out, the players will go through another development stage where audio DACs and DSPs are stripped and we can get on to $300 universal transport carousels iLinked to processor-based audio DSPs and DACs.
Then you'll have legs. A year away.
Austin
Does it have the same problem- no 1384 iLink? One can always wait for the next-gen goodies but them one could neber upgrade either. I suppose if I am going to follow my incremental chosen path now may be the time to pass on the universal and the pre-pro and get the two-ch for my 4 ohm front L&R speakers. It will have legs. The only problem is that I will not be able to run the 2-ch power amp with the low-fi pre-pro I have now - it has no pre-outs. So I am in a bind. Suggestions? Thank You, Bill
Bill,The 3803 is a tremendous value. Its unique mix of features, sonics and power at a very competitive price make it a winner, IMO. It is, however, a CURRENT GENERATION receiver. It will support all HT modes via digital coax or optical as well as multichannel hirez via its ANALOG INs from a universal hirez player. It CANNOT optimize multichannel hirez but it will support an enjoyable listening environment all the same. You will have to rely on the player's bass managment/time alignment facilities or obtain a standalone bass manager like the Outlaw ICBM in order to optimize mch hirez. It will be two or three years before 1394 iLink makes its appearance in mass-market receivers like the 3803, IMO.
The 3803 should fit your requirements very nicely at a good price point. Furthermore, it should fetch decent resale dollars if you sell it just BEFORE the iLink-equipped mass-market receivers arrive.
My point about equipment "legs" is that ALL current player and processor gear is obviously transitional due to the lack of a digital interface for multichannel hirez. While you can certainly wait yourself to death, the hirez transition is clearly a major one and is occurring as we speak. Therefore, NOTHING you can buy today has "legs" to carry you through to optimum digital hirez.
One strategy to get through this period calls for purchasing "throwaway" componentry that will deliver reasonable performance until the nextgen gear is available. At that time, you pitch the throwaways (sell into used mass-market via eBay) and buy up into the digital hirez gear. This strategy minimizes cash outlay at the cost of marginally compromised sonics. An alternative strategy is to "ride the crest" by purchasing state of the art equipment at each major point in audio/video evolution. This stategy maximizes features and sonics at the cost of large cash outlays as expensive equipment obsolesces. Both strategies are valid and which is right for you is a call only you can make. Hope this helps.
Austin
I currently have lo-fi source and processor. I have fairly good speakers in my NCM Rythms and Okaras. I have no SACD or DVD-A capability.
So while I can of course buy SACD and DVD-a titles they will sit unlistened to for 2-3 yrs. I will not buy redbook CD's out of hand anymore.
The other consideration is that it will be a while before I can step into HDTV in say a 50" plasma.So I am left in a quandry. Wait several years for everything or go ahead and buy throw away components? (Of course aren't they all throw-away or sell away in the long run? SACD and DVD-A are not the last word for audio either. Those formats divide the market-share keeping many people on the fence. If the format-war continues long enough a new tech will come along and sweep them both away.)
I'm very tempted to buy the Denon 2900/Denon 3803 combo and sit tight for several years until the whole digital transition matures and prices fall into my bracket, which is exactly the 2900/3802 bracket.Any further thoughts would be welcome, Thanks Again and Blissful Listening!!!!!! Bill
Bill,I have no problem at all with the 3803/2900 combination. You would be solidly mid-fi with the ability to play any audio or video disks you can think of in a two-box solution. Considering your budget, you'll be set for at least two to three years at well under $2k. Not bad.
Austin
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