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In Reply to: Outlaw 1050 versus Newcastle + hk 5800?? posted by AB on January 20, 2000 at 16:48:01:
Ironic that you stated this as this is what I'm contemplating (I have already bought the amps the pre-pro is the killer). The great thing about the Outlaw is that it has a 5-way cross-over (80-90-100-110-120hz) if you use sub/sats but I wonder if you use towers if you would be better off with something else. I have heard the HK5800 and was not really to impressed (seemed congested on a set of Nhts) so I went on the used market and got the following amps:AudioSource 5.1 paid $80 which included shipping (used)
AudioSource Amp1 paid $199 which included shipping (new spidergear.com)
Adcom GFA 535 paid $150 which included shipping (used at Yahoo auction)My local dealer is offering the HK5800 for $700 (display model) so I know this is not grey, refurb, or B stock and was wondering with all the low prices (JandR) how good of a quality item this really is. The cosmetics and build appears to be excellent but I thought the performance wasn't up to par (system involved monster THX cables/interconnects, Nht SuperOnes front, Nht SuperCenter, Nht rears {dipoles, can't remember the model}, and Nht sub1 on an HK DD preamp). I used a laser pointer (adjust toe-in), DVD Essentials (balance speakers at listening level), RS SPL meter, and an IASCA test disc (to help adjust cross-over of the sub and play some familiar tracks for tonality) to calibrate the system and for source I used a Wilson Audio Magnum Opus (separation of the pipes were hard to tell 3 out of 5), Dusk til Dawn DVD (clean dialogue at the beginning convience store shoot-out 5 out of 5), and Saving Private Ryan (chap 2-4 great detail and good thudding of mg 4 out of 5). The only problem I had with the HK is for music but for movies it was better than most AVRs under a $1000.
If so I have one, and I paid no where near $700 a year ago. I got it at J&R for $440 including tax. I replaced an Acurus DIA100 I was using to power 2 NHT 2.5s It in no way matched that amplifier, but it does a fine job for movies. I have a Levinson on my audio system, so it's hard to go from music to movies at home, but it does the trick. Guests are just awed anyway, but I do find it fatiguing.I too am considering the Outlaw receiver to replace my yamaha 990 receiver I'm using as 2 additional amps channels & my preamp. For $599 you can't beat it, if I could only sell my old projector to finance it! (anyone interested in a slightly beatup Zenith Pro851X for a STEAL?) I have dealt with the President of Outlaw on a number of occasions & he really is quite a gentleman, and a great businessman. I may wait for the Outlaw Preamp he spoke about when I questioned him about the receiver.
Yep, sure was refering to the Harmon as the local dealers here in Kansas does a minimal amount of mark-down. I saw the same deal at JandR for $299 + shipping. I have been doing mostly internet shopping (and recently buying) as it seems I could get things for 50% or less on the net. The only thing that I'm reluctant about buying are AVRs just based on horror stories reported at various sites if a problem arises, grey market, or refurbs (I fear more the software problems than the hardware). I would consider Outlaw since you deal directly to product headquaters instead of the middle-man and have yet read a bad review about their customer service. Since you stated that you talked about their pre-pro with their president what kind of info did you gather (does it have various cross-over settings if so what are they).
I got no real information about details, but I would assume it has the same base capabilities of the receiver.
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