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In Reply to: S-video or composite posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 10, 2004 at 14:58:41:
I meant to put this in the other post, but thank you for spending some time on this with me.And oh how I know the frustration of wiring. Did the same thing you did but with svid out and in on a TV a few years ago (why does a TV need svid out?). Here is a question for you though, in my experience if the Y, Pb, Pr aren't plugged in properly you get a picture missing one or both of those colors. Does this not hold true all the time?
At this point I have about given up as this just defies everything and test I can think of short of getting new cables (which looks to be my lost hope). I just hope I didn't damage my receivers inputs as the Monster Cable goes on so very, very tight that I cringe everytime I unplug them. I worry that it will pull out the input from the reciever.
Thanks again,
Jeff
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> > > I meant to put this in the other post, but thank you for spending some time on this with me. < < <You are quite welcome.
MonsterCable makes their connectors Grip of Death tight. I damaged an input on an old receiver with one of their cables. Had to have it repaired by a shop. I read about a guy in California who had a joyous experience with them. Seems there was an earthquake an several things were knocked off of walls, moved around and such. Two of his components slid off of the entertainment center and were left hanging after the quake. Hanging by MonsterCables!
Yes, the Y, Pb and Pr connections must be correct to get the right picture. You'll get all sorts of crap if you connect them incorrectly from screwed up color/no color to no picture. If you hook up just the Y signal cable, you will get a black & white picture. Some people actually disconnect the Pb and Pr cables when they are calibrating a display's Brightness and Contrast settings.
You might try this. Get three different cables (any three audio or video RCA cables will do) and try using them to get the video game systems to work. If you don't get a picture at first, try jiggling them around at the connector -- just the Y signal cable will do -- and see if you get at least a B&W picture. If the MonsterCables were damaged (though I doubt it), you'll know what to replace. If that doesn't do it, it may be possible that either the receiver's video inputs are damaged, the game systems' video outputs are damaged or both. I hope that's not the case, but I have seen it happen.
Here's a long shot. Does your receiver handle progressive signals? If it doesn't, maybe the game systems are set to progressive mode and hold their settings when they are unplugged. That may be why you aren't getting a picture. Since you get a picture from the DVD player, even if it's a progressive player, it may have defaulted to interlaced mode when it was unplugged. Many have to be reset when they are unplugged for a while. If the DVD player isn't a progressive player, then there is no progressive mode to use.
If the receiver does handle progressive signals, you may still have to set it up in the menu to accept progressive signals (maybe even per input) because it too may have defaulted to interlaced when it was unplugged for a while.
I have heard the Monster Cable horror stories and I can easily see how it could happen. A damaged input is/was my biggest concern. However, if the input was damaged would it still pass the DVD signal?The 9000ES DVD player has a switch on the back, as well as the menu screen, to set the output signal. I tried the switch in both 480 P and I and the signal seemed to be going through. When I say seemed I mean the menu screen was there for both.
Both video games output 480I (or lower) until a game kicks in that is of a higher resolution (I think).
I took the video game cables to a friend’s house yesterday and they worked fine on his consoles through his receiver.
Sitting here at work I had a light bulb go off. I know some displays limit what signal the Component input can handle. I didn't think my Panasonic did, at least it says it doesn't in the manual, but I am going to change the receivers output into the other component video input on the TV and see if that works. Up to this point I had just plugged the video game systems into the free input on the TV.
Jeff
Tried the other input on the TV. No dice. DVD picture works fine but no games. Tried all three inputs on the reciever with the DVD in interlaced and progressive, they all work fine.The only option left is the cables for the gaming units but they plug in with more of pin attachment rather than RCA (on the console end) and I don't have spares floating around to use. I will have to get some this weekend. And how the cables could work with the TV and not the receiver is beyond me.
I am at my wits end. Logic is telling me it has to be something so insanely simple and over looked but what? I've talked to Yamaha and Panasonic. I have had friends over... Everyone is stumped.
I've followed the thread and have abt 20 yrs experience as elec. tech., but can't visualize anything you haven't already tried. There's virtually no way you could have a cable failure, even with poor quality cables since all you're dealing with is copper wire and a couple of solder or crimp connections. You can always check them with a continuity tester.I once had an "impossible" problem regarding a tv screen that locked up in an all blue mode. As I narrowed the problem down, it seemed to happen less frequently -- was that just me being more observent or careful? Finally, as I recall, it turned out to be that I had both svid and rf inputs hooked up and there was some residual signal on one of the two inputs which was telling the TV to switch to the Video Input mode, where there happened to be no information. Something like that, anyway. My guess is that something is telling the receiver/processor to not output the comp. vid signals. Got 'scope??
ABOUT CABLES: Outlaw Audio makes some fantastic, reasonably priced cables with RCA plugs which operate much like the chuck on an electric drill. The barrel tightens a split sleeve which absolutly locks them on. A turn or two of the barrell and they practically fall off! Try them.
Rob
The receiver will pass comp signals from the DVD player on all comp inputs and that is what keeps baffling me. I would think if it was stuck some how it wouldn't pass any signal.The reason I was wondering about cables is that the monsters go on tight and the space between inputs is even tighter. My hand slipped off of them and jerked the wire that goes into the plug. On a visual observation the cable looks fine when the barrel is unscrewed.
I have treated the receiver with loving care as it is amazingly musical, the new flagship Denon's/Pioneer/BK's can beat it for home theater, but for 2 chanell music.... I don't know, the Yammy sounds good and the 5803 just didn't impress me (YMMV). And the cables have only been unplugged maybe 4 times total before this mess started.
I picked up a new cable system for the xbox (since it is high def and the difference is noticeable using just Svid) and still no luck.
The only cable option I have for the video games is monster cable or stock and as such I went with monster at the time. I do have to say that I have been pretty pleased with the Monster video cables, especially when you get into the Z series.
So up to now the AA board is baffled. I have had two friends over to help and they were baffled. I've called Yamaha and they were baffled. Called the dealer that sold me the receiver and their tech was baffled. He put me in touch with another tech that told me Yammy has had some problems with their comp video inputs and cards, but how it still works with the DVD didn't make sense to him (or anyone). He did say that he would replace the video board and inputs as that is really all it could be at this point.
So on Monday I am going to drop off the receiver and have the inputs and board replaced. Just hope it goes quick as I can go with out home theater for a week or two but can't live without music.
Again you guys - thanks for the help.Jeff
There's nothing wrong with the MonsterCables that he's using. The extra grip is a plus, as long as you don't make frequent connects/disconnects.You seem to be referencing what's called locking RCA connectors. The problem with these is that most people overtighten the barrels and change the impedance of the overall connection (not good for video, on top of the fact that RCAs aren't 75Ohm to begin with). The MonsterCable products are tight, but not so tight as to present a problem in this area.
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