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In Reply to: Question for Joe Murphy Jr posted by Emil on May 10, 2004 at 08:54:19:
Bet picture, have dealer set it up to prevent green shade problems.
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Good call DUI. I have a Sammy. Great picture. I had mine calibrated. No green tint.
I had an HLN (50 inch model). I experienced the AV sync problem - - sound & video did not match (like a bad dubbed movie).Waited months for a fix. Samsung promised a fix, including swapping out the TV's internals. Never materialised. A month ago, they started offering a straight trade for the next gen model (when they're released). Had a candid chat with people at the co in the know. They confirmed that the new models "might" still have the same problem. But they offered me another option - a flat refund for what I paid (not including the bloody CA sales tax).
So now I have my money back and am waiting for the next best thing to come out. Hopefully it will be from Samsung - - they treated me well. But I'll spend more time evaluating before my next buy.
Uh-oh, I wish I would have seen this sooner. Bought the HLN617W last week and the A/V is out of sync. Just now notified Samsung and have no clue to what they will do for me, hope it isn't a $4000. mistake.
Is the audio sync problem an issue across the board with the Samsung DLP sets? Why hasn't there been more talk about this? Does it happen in all modes of operation or only with some source material? Does it happen only with the Samsung internal speakers or in your home theater setup using a processor/receiver?I'm seriously considering a Samsung DLP set toward the end of this year but the audio sync problem now has me concerned.
This problem for some reason has not been covered on this site much, if at all (I haven't checked all the past threads, so that's an off the cuff opinion). If you want to read about it in detail, go to the AVS Forum web site and get into the rear projection section. All you need to do is search under "Samsung AV Synch" and you'll find tons of information.In general, the problem exists on all their current "HLN" line of DLP rear projectors. And from my conversations w/Samsung's tech support, it apparently has not been resolved with their next HLP line that is coming out shortly. But, it's also variable, depending upon lots of unpredictable factors. Some people don't experience much of a problem, while it drives others nuts (much like the "rainbow" effect some experience with DLP projectors). Because of the various factors, you might not experience this when you demo the TV at the retailer.
But the indisputable fact is that Samsung itself has admitted the problem, to the point of offering trade-ups for the next generation of models, or complete refunds for others who don't want to wait.
For me, it was best to turn in the TV and wait it out for a while. I truly hope Samsung gets this fixed, because they've earned my future business with their outstanding customer service. Personally, I think DLP is a interium technolgy. I don't know of any other high tech electronics with so many moving parts. Think about all the things that have to be precisely timed, with all those micro mirrors, the spinning color wheel, etc. I expect that my next purchase will be a plasma or LCD flat pannel. Their prices are dropping fast, and they don't have moving parts that have to work in unison like DLP's.
In the mean time, I bought a $200 20 inch Toshiba CRT. I expect it's the last CRT I'll ever buy. Funny thing is, it wasn't too difficult adjusting from a 50" HD display to a 20 SD TV (although it does look really strange in my high end setup - - Lexicon MC12, Aragon 8008's, etc.).
Good luck.
Larry
Thank you for that very enlightening post. The LCDs are starting to look better to me now as well as my trusty Panasonic toob.Thanks
Emil
Me too.... I think I'll keep the CRT for a while longer. Plasma won't work for me and direct-view LCD still costs more than plasma.
Duilawyer
Have you experienced the "rainbow" Joe speaks of? What dealer did you buy from that performed the setup? I dont think it was Best Buy or Circuit City types or was it?
When I first got my set, I saw rainbows when I quickly lookedaway from the set. Now I don't see thm at all.
Not everyone sees the rainbows when watching DLP displays. And, the 5 - 10% of people that do can be divided into two groups -- those that don't mind and those that get "sick". Those that don't mind tend to see the rainbows every now and then. They don't really stand out for these people, so the picture quality they get in the mean time is worth it to them. Those that do mind the rainbows either experience bad headaches or nausea from watching DLP sets. Believe it or not, some of the people that experience the physical affects don't ever report seeing rainbows. They just know that when they watch this type of display, they become physically ill.The reason I recommend bringing others along, at least to a demo or two, is to see if anyone else in the family is affected by the picture. It seems to occur more often in the 50" and up range.
it would be nice being like "normal" people. Going to a Best Buy, taking a look around and telling the salesman,"I want that one". Taking it home and enjoying without a second thought.
Physically ill? With my luck, i finally convince the wife to go for a 4k TV and then having to explain to her that its the TV thats making her sick
Rainbows: some see it, some dont. I guess its like seeing the figure of the Virgin Mary in a a carpet stain.
Some see it, some dont.I did spend some time over at AVS. There is some talk of the new DLPs with the new Texas Instruments chip. Hopefully it will address these problems. I guess they should be out soon since the retailers are dropping the price of the current DLps.
.All three, plasma/LCD/DLP, will give me a picture I'll be happy with.My biggest concern is reliablity and thats the reason why Im leaning towards the DLPs. From what I've read, the "no burn in" and easy replacement of the bulb appeals to me. The dead pixels on the LCDS worries me. Would you agree so far?
I know the $$$$ are making you nervous, but don't let it get to you. Take the wife to a few demos and see how she likes the picture on the DLP sets. Remember, only a small percentage of people have any adverse affects from the technology. It's not like it's a 50-50 shot, it's only a few percent. Look on the bright side, less time in front of the TV leaves more time for sex. If that doesn't do it, is there any way that you can trade in the wife if she does see rainbows, but you just love the picture?I wouldn't worry about the dead pixels on the RP LCDs either. From several feet away, even if you had two dead pixels together, you won't notice it. The dead pixel complaint comes from people that just have to put their nose right up to the display and check for the minutest flaw. You don't sound like that anal of a person. What you do have to worry about with the rear projection LCDs is the poor black level detail. At best, it can be called washed out. Black level capability is an important factor for me in display technology. While digital displays can equal CRT (none of them, although Panasonic's plasma glass comes very close), RP LCD is the worst. Now, if poor black level detail doesn't bother you, does the animated, almost cartoonish look of the RP LCDs bother you? If not, give them some consideration.
By the way, I am just exaggerating a bit with the picture description of the RP LCD displays. And I did say " a bit".
If any AV purchase is "easy" you're not doin' it right! LOL...And rainbows aren't like visions of the Virgin - most folks don't fervently hope to see rainbows on their display.
Seriously. Don't agonize too much. You've got it more or less in a nutshell. At least now you know you don't have to gas up a plasma after 6,000 hours. (BTW, no burn-in with LCDs, either.) You are so gonna love having a new TV.
Seriously, just go to the stores when the new DLPs arrive and look at some sets. Wait for some contrasty content to appear on the screen. Move your eyes from side to side. If you and your wife don't see the rainbows and don't get sick - rejoice! You're done.
Except for a DVI DVD player, HD cable box, cabling...
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