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Re: Denon DVD-5900 DVI & Menu upgrade?

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kmmd

In Reply to: Denon DVD-5900 DVI & Menu upgrade? posted by AbeCollins on May 14, 2004 at 07:06:57:

Hi Abe,
Congrats on your purchase of the 5900. I'm sure you will love it. The easiest way to check to see if DVI is enabled is by using the "Mode" button on the front of the 5900. Push it 4 times and see if "DVI SETUP" appears. If it does, then DVI is enabled.
Denon did send out two upgrade disks recently. They are labeled "Macroblocking/Navigation Speed" and "DVI Reset/DVD-Audio Mute Fix." If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the DVI activation disks are separate and different than these disks. I had mine activated in Nov. 2003 with two disks. Also, Jeff Talmadge sent out a third disk to the Navigation Speed disk, because some people were reporting that one of the recent upgrade disks overwrote the improved menu navigation speed. Honestly, I didn't have this problem, but I installed it anyway. Needless to say, the menu navigation speed is VERY FAST now.
Enjoy your 5900!
Ken

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Thanks Ken! - AbeCollins 18:45:48 05/14/04 (6)
Just picked the DVD-5900. It does in fact have DVI enabled based on your description of pushing the "Mode" button 4 times. Sure enough, it says "DVI SETUP".
Manufacture date on this unit is February 2004 so I'm wondering if it also has the fast menu navigation firmware update.
- You're welcome! Here's more info... - kmmd 20:19:53 05/14/04 (5)
  That's great Abe...your DVI should be active. :-) Based on the Manufacture date, you should have the latest firmware also. Here is how to check your firmware version:
  1) power the player off with the front panel power button
  2) while holding the play and open/close buttons down, power the player on using the front panel power switch until you see the play and pause icons appear on the display
  3) press the enter button on the remote to toggle through the various firmware registries
  The latest values as shown on my 5900 are:
  ESS 6334-6
  Make Day 210
  DRV 030825
  System 6542-1
  DSP1 6332
  DSP2 6333
  If these are the values on your player, then it is the most current. Now, just sit back and enjoy the awesome picture and sound of this player!
  Ken
  - Woo Whoo! Two thumbs up! - AbeCollins 20:43:24 05/14/04 (4)
    My firmware matches yours exactly! No need to get the updates. Thanks Ken!
    - Oh, BTW... - kmmd 08:47:02 05/15/04 (3)
      Denon will release one more firmware update to fix the "macroblocking" issue once and for all. They are working with Faroudja to resolve the situation. Also, are you interested in IEEE1394/i.Link activation? If so, Denon will post the procedure to have it activated. Unfortunately, it entails both a hardware and software upgrade which may mean sending your player to one of the Authorized Service Centers. We will soon see...
      Ken
      - Re: Oh, BTW... - AbeCollins 12:12:29 05/15/04 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Oh, BTW... posted by kmmd on May 15, 2004 at 08:47:02:
        
        Good info, thanks Ken. I have mixed feelings about IEEE1394/iLink because I have no equipment that can handle it and I have no near term plans to incorporate any IEEE1394 capable pieces into my system for this 'generation' of my home theater setup.
        I'm still trying to sort out what the benefits are for IEEE1394 vs Denon Link 2. I know that IEEE1394 is a 'standard' while I believe Denon Link is proprietary to Denon.
        My Denon 3803 receiver/processor doesn't have IEEE1394 and I don't want to spend the bucks on the 5803. I'll have to take a closer look at the new 3805 because if it has IEEE1394, it may be worth updating my DVD-5900 and get the more reasonably priced 3805.
        Is the main advantage for IEEE1394 the elimination of all those unruly analog interconnects for multi-channel SACD?
        My DVD-5900 didn't come with the IEEE1394 or Denon Link cable. I'm wondering if the previous owner lost the cables or if Denon never supplied them (even though the list of contents in the Owner's Manual states that these cables are included).
        
        Oh boy...(long) - kmmd 08:02:03 05/16/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Oh, BTW... posted by AbeCollins on May 15, 2004 at 12:12:29:
        
        the i.Link pros and cons. I was actually thinking about starting a thread to see what fellow Inmates think about it, and how many are actually using it.
        > > > I have mixed feelings about IEEE1394/iLink because I have no equipment that can handle it and I have no near term plans to incorporate any IEEE1394 capable pieces into my system for this 'generation' of my home theater setup. < < <
        The same applies to my current system.
        > > > I know that IEEE1394 is a 'standard' while I believe Denon Link is proprietary to Denon. < < <
        This is correct.
        > > > I'll have to take a closer look at the new 3805 because if it has IEEE1394, it may be worth updating my DVD-5900 and get the more reasonably priced 3805. < < <
        I agree. The 3805 looks to be a nice receiver, and it has nice setup features.
        > > > Is the main advantage for IEEE1394 the elimination of all those unruly analog interconnects for multi-channel SACD? < < <
        Ah, this is the question which I have been trying to figure out also. I agree that by using i.Link, you do minimize cable count in passing multi-channel audio. Another advantage is that your receiver/pre-pro performs the bass management and time/space alignment. However, the most important feature is the decrease in jitter. The player's clock is slaved to the receiver/pre-pro's clock which becomes the master. The data is then passed unchanged in digital form so that the receiver/pre-pro's processor/DAC do the manipulation and D-> A before going through the analog out stage to the amps.
        Anyway, here are some of my questions...
        - Why do people spend megabucks on universal players with redundant processing and high quality DAC's if they are going to use i.Link? After all, these stages are completely bypassed in the player.
        - Over on avsforum, certain members claim that i.Link is the ONLY way to go. They claim that this "superior" connection translates to superior sound. I will concede that jitter reduction translates to superior sound. My questions are:
        1.) Does this mean that their receivers/pre-pros have superior clocks than all of the players out there? I find it very hard to believe that universal players/multi-channel audio players use clocks with lots of jitter.
        2.) If this digital information is processed and D-> A converted in the player thus sending out analog, then where is the increased jitter?
        3.) Also, in good quality players (such as the 5900 for example), bass management and time/space alignment are quite flexible. Is there really an advantage to having the receiver/pre-pro perform these functions when you have a player with this flexibility not to mention very high quality DAC's?
        If someone can please help me to understand, then that would be greatly appreciated. After all, I am not an EE/Audio Engineer. Thanks in advance.
        As for me, I believe in having excellent analog stages which is why I had my pre-pro modded. I will also have my 5900 modded in 2-3 weeks, and I will have the opportunity to tube roll for two-channel audio (redbook CD). So while people will be sending their players to Denon for the IEEE1394 upgrade, I will be sending mine to Oregon to Dan Wright.
        And finally,
        > > > My DVD-5900 didn't come with the IEEE1394 or Denon Link cable. I'm wondering if the previous owner lost the cables or if Denon never supplied them (even though the list of contents in the Owner's Manual states that these cables are included). < < <
        My 5900 came with both cables. In fact, I still have my Desay "Heavy Duty" batteries. Why is it that these companies supply such cheapy batteries with their equipment???
        Anyway, sorry for the long post...but I hope it is some food for thought.
        Ken
        
        Re: Oh boy...(long) - AbeCollins 12:27:19 05/16/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Oh boy...(long) posted by kmmd on May 16, 2004 at 08:02:03:
        
        Hey I loved the long post! Ken you raised many good questions. Some of them crossed my mind too. In particular, since we're using the excellent DAC / Analog stage from the DVD5900, what advantage is there to running the DVD5900 thru the pre/pro if we're listening (in my case) to 2-channel audio? I bypass my Denon receiver completely (its turned off) when I'm using the DVD5900 for most audio listening. I run the DVD5900 into my regular preamp which in turns feeds my tube monoblocks. The only time the DVD5900 goes thru my Denon receiver is when I'm watching a DVD video. I'm not yet set up for multichannel analog audio.

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