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Any inexpensive A/V receivers that would allow me to use my present power amps/speakers for front channels and to have the receiver handle the rest? Is there any way to have the signal not go through the receiver for two-channel music reproduction but simply through my ARC LS-25 and to the Bryston 7B-STs?Thanks.
PS I am seriously considering redoing the garage into a home theatre so that my sound system can go back to the way it was in my listenig room. Another way of saying that integrating H/T into a high-quality stereo is a messy proposition.
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If your DVD player has analog out 6 channel, you can split it from there. That's how I do it. You just have to manually adjust the center and rears.
Hardly a good solution even though it works. HT Bypass function is better.Kal
Can the front preamp output from the ht receiver go to the front 2ch preamp. (eg. tape input, I have no passthrough on my Marsh 2000B)and
the rear preamp output from the ht receiver go directly to a seperate amp, (not preamp), for the rear surrounds? (It would be an old Adcom that I from a past system)
thanks
Bob
Yes but then you need to make sure you have a fixed gain setting for that input. If the Marsh has a stepped volume control, that should be easy.Kal
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I have a different set up.
I don't have a premap with a HT by pass.
What I do have is a maCintosh c 28 preamp, and a MC 162 for the front L and R.
Do you have any suggestions how to do it better, with a limited budget?Thanks.
Fake a HT bypass: Use one of your regular inputs but make sure you always use it with the exact level setting every time. This is easy with a stepped volume control or you can put a physical stop/indicator on the control.Kal
Joe and Kal gave you some great info. I'll elaborate some on how I did it with my audio / HT setup. I do exactly what you are trying to do. Think of it this way: You will keep your existing audio-only setup just as it is then 'integrate' the home theater into your audio-only setup. Many modestly priced AV receivers will have pre-outs. This is important if you want to integrate it into your audio-only setup! I have the previous model Denon 3803 (replaced by the 3805). I believe Denon has some lower end units that will also work as do many other brands. They MUST have pre-outs though!"Is there any way to have the signal not go through the receiver for two-channel music reproduction but simply through my ARC LS-25 and to the Bryston 7B-STs?"
Yes, this is exactly the point and why we should think of it as integrating the home theater into your existing audio-only setup.
Your ARC LS25 should have a theater bypass. I don't recall what ARC calls it but I had this feature on the ARC LS16.
Leave your existing audio-only setup alone. Take the L & R main pre-outs from your A/V receiver and route those into the theater bypass inputs on the ARC preamp. When you switch your ARC preamp to 'theater bypass' mode, the L & R pre-outs from the AV receiver get fed directly to your Bryston mono amps. The volume control on the ARC is disabled in this mode and the volume is controlled from the AV receiver. The AV receiver now controls the volume for ALL channels as the ARC is being used simply as a switch to get the signal from the AV receiver pre-outs (main L & R ch) to the Bryston amps. Power the remaining 3 channels from the AV receiver amps (left-rear, right-rear, and front-center). If you have a powered sub, wire it to the 'sub-out' jack on the back of the receiver via RCA interconnect. You can get a powered sub later if your wish for better effects. Same for the center. I've had great results running just 4 speakers - no sub, no center. They're nice to have but don't be discouraged if have just four speakers.
As for the DVD player, run the main L & R RCA jacks to one set of the regular inputs on your ARC preamp. You can now use your DVD player for CD, SACD, DVD-A, etc (assuming its a 'universal player'). Or if you choose not to use the DVD player as one of your audio-only sources, just don't connect it's analog L & R channels. For DVD video home theater, run the DVD player optical or coaxial digital cable to the AV receiver. (I prefer optical. Some will insist on coaxial. I use optical because it is one less cable to potentially introduce a ground loop that might result in HUM). The AV receiver will do the necessary signal processing and break the signal out to all the channels. The most common setup is 5.1 channels consisting of Front-Left, Front-Right, Center, Rear-Left, Rear-Right, and the .1 is the sub-out to the subwoofer. Again, with the ARC preamp set to 'theater bypass', use the AV receiver volume control to control the volume level for all channels.
You'll also go into the AV receiver SETUP menu to adjust the relative signal levels of all channels. The receiver will have a 'noise generator' that creates a hissing sound and you adjust each channel to have the same hissing loudness from where you sit. You can do this by ear from the seating position and get very good results or if you want to be a perfectionist, get a sound-level meter and set it at ear level at the seating position. Some higher-end AV receivers will have a microphone that you place at the seating position and the receiver will automatically adjust the levels. Its really not THAT critical unless you're a real HT enthusiast and want perfection. I am not. My HT is secondary to my audio setup.
So, in HT mode flip the ARC switch to 'theater bypass' and use the AV receiver to control everything. When not in HT mode, use your ARC preamp as you always have with various source components.
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This is what I'm planning to do using the HT input of my Sim preamp.Any suggestions though for the best buy in a $400-$500 HT receiver?
At the moment I'm thinking of the Pioneer VSX-1014TX which seems to offer a lot for the money. Any comments?
Thanks.
Mel
..and at that price range maybe the Denon 2105 or 1905. The 1705 will not work as it does not have pre-outs. I haven't explored other brands but I've been happy with my Denon 3803 (which is the previous model to the current 3805).Click the link below to see Denon AV receivers.
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i use the 5900 connected to the 3805 receiver via 5.1 RCAs and 1 Dlink connector... it outputs all but the SACD signal via the Dlink. I then use the pre-outs to a PSAudio HCA-2 for the front-ends.. soon to be driving some Spendor S5Es to replace the VERY tweaked Athena speakers.... The 3805 as a pre works pretty darned well together with quality power filtering and cabling.... I really like this setup because it gives me great 2 channel audio and killer 5.1 for HT.Sam
for a while i was using a little passive pre by CIAudio that they custom modded for me. Basically getting the HT bypass function neat and cheap! So this gem of a little passive has 2 switchable inputs to 1 output..... I had CIAudio re-wire it so that when input 1 is selected it bypassed the attenuator and goes directly to the output. Input 2 gets variable attenuation and output. I take the pre-out signal the Receivers front L/R via input 1 and direct from the 5900 for L/R to input 2. The output goes to the HCA-2..... Works VERY well... flip to 1 and user the HT processor, switch inputs and get a sweet passive pre attenuted direct signal to the HCA-2.Sam
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Regarding 2-channel/multi-channel integration, read my responses to a similar question in the link below.As far as inexpensive, could you give a $ amount? What's "inexpensive" to you is probably not "inexpensive" to Donald Trump. If your budget is $300 - $400, you can find the Yamaha HTR-5760 and the Denon AVR-1905 on ebay.com in this range (new-in-box, not used) and both have preamp outputs. I wouldn't get any receiver/processor without DTS ES 6.1, Dolby Pro-Logic IIx and 7.1 channel preamp output capability. But that's just me.
Closing off the garage seems like a good idea at first. Just make sure that your neighbors won't be getting "free" sound that they'd rather not have given to them. Know what I mean, Vern? The last thing you want is angry neighbors disturbing your new HT experience. There's plenty of info around that will help you soundproof a garage to decrease the chances of this happening.
- http://db.AudioAsylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=ht&n=19506&highlight=Joe+Murphy+Jr&r=&session= (Open in New Window)
There are many AV receivers with preouts but I cannot point to one specifically without knowing much more of your needs. OTOH, the best way to set this up is to have a stereo preamp with a HT bypass input which provides a fixed gain path for the front L/R output from the AV receiver.Kal
According to the manual of my ARC LS-25 there is a "processor/input switch" ... "allowing an external video processor to control the system when used in a surround sound audio/video mode." I assumed all along that this is where the A/V receiver/processor hooks into the stereo sound system. But how do you get the front channels when listening to the A/V system to play through the stereo speakers and main power amps? I am looking at a Yamaha 7.1 receiver with the microphone and automatic set-up. Given my druthers, I would buy Rotel, but, at this stage, I am looking at the type of unit available in big box stores at a discount. The people working there are not very knowledgeable. I was told in one of these stores that the receivers they offer do not have pre-outs (run of the mill Yamaha, Panasonic, H-K and such) so that I would have to go to a hi-fi store to get what I am looking for. I know that one of the hi-fi stores up here in Montreal that I deal with (the ARC dealer in fact) does have the Rotel line and that they are quite good looking units that have received good reviews. Since I just bought the RPTV and I have to get a centre channel speaker and sub, I would like to keep the price of the receiver as low as possible. Any help is appreciated, thanks.
"I assumed all along that this is where the A/V receiver/processor hooks into the stereo sound system. But how do you get the front channels when listening to the A/V system to play through the stereo speakers and main power amps?"When in theater mode the front L & R channels are coming from the front L & R channels of the AV receiver L & R pre-outs, to the ARC preamp theater bypass inputs, and out to your Brystons. The DVD player is hooked to your AV receiver via optical or coaxial for audio processing. The video output of the DVD player can also go into the AV receiver and out the AV receiver to your TV - or just run the video output of the DVD player directly into the TV.
The only source component that should go INTO the AV receiver is the DVD player via coax or optical. Other source components go directly into your ARC preamp as usual allowing you to select those source components, when not in theater mode, as you always did before when your system was an audio-only system.
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