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In Reply to: DLP? Plasma? posted by JWilt on November 19, 2005 at 23:12:49:
The Sony is here now (they call it SXRD, but it is LCoS... and LG's is coming in the next couple months). They are much nicer pictures than DLP. Get to a high end shop like Magnolia to check it out......Best Buy has them also. Here is a recent article from the LG launch in Australia. US should be launched next. The Sony 70" is expensive at 11k, but the LG is almost 50% less I believe, and they'll have smaller sizes as well. I am waiting for these to arrive to upgrade to a new HDTV. Note in this article that they are using Australian dollars, not US.Rear projection - no longer dirty words
Rob Gillam - Friday, 25 November 2005
LG's LCoS 71SA1D proves the days of poor-resolution rear-projection television are over.Chances are you've heard about LG introducing Australia's first LCD display with an integrated high definition (HD) digital tuner (no external set-top box required). It's done it again, this time with the first LCoS (Liquid Crystal on Silicon) technology display with an integrated HD digital tuner, the rear-projection widescreen 71SA1D. (LCoS) is a hybrid technology combining the capabilities of LCD and digital light projection (DLP) formats.
LG Engineer, George Karatzis, says the advantage of LCoS' hybrid technology over pure LCD or DLP is that "It doesn't have as much of the 'screen door' effect you get with outright DLP and LCD. It's the best of both worlds.
It provides a very high pixel density rate and very high contrast ratio levels -- similar to most of LG plasmas.
It's basically a reflective technology, not passive like a normal LCD. It allows twisting of the crystal material to allow more or less light through. It virtually has silicone layer that acts like a mirror.
You don't get hard edging. You get a very smooth picture, like film."
SmartHouse experienced the display first-hand and it is striking. At 71 inches (or 180 centimetres) diagonal, the thing is huge. It's roughly man-sized. Still, its massive horizontal size isn't matched in the rear. Unlike traditional rear projection displays, LCos technology allows for a surprisingly slim 56 centimetre profile. Facing this rear-pro from the front, it's easy to mistake it for (a very large version of) one of its plasma brethren. It had slightly higher brightness and deeper colour tones than the HD plasmas it was positioned alongside.
But it's that it's able to so realistically present High Definition content across all that display space that is most impressive. It is a true 1080p-capable progressive scan display.
Admittedly, we watched the display in a (very) darkened room only. Also noticeable was a slight film of shininess at closer viewing distances.
The 71SA1D has plenty of bells and whistles included in its $9999 price-tag, such as memory card slots, seven speakers including subwoofer, dual HDMI inputs and PC compatibility. It is due in store mid December 2005 so Santa's reindeer should have their work well cut out.
Follow Ups:
The DLP killer...
- http://au.lge.com/md/product/prodcategorylist.do?actType=detail&currPage=1&categoryId=1000000161&parentCategoryId=0200000102&categoryLevel=4&productId=1100000833 (Open in New Window)
Interesting. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will it accept 1080p input? The Sony won't. JVC's version of LCOS, D-ILA, has been delayed, at least the 1080p versions. Why only one size?
Jack
See below for 1080P
Primary Technology
Native Display Resolution : 1920 * 1080P
Contrast Ratio (Dark Room) : 10000:1(MAX)
Brightness : 600cd/㎡ (MAX)
Useful Life(LAMP LIFE TIME) : 8000 hrs
Viewing Angle : 130(H) X 62(V)
Colour Temperature Adjustment (# of Modes) : Yes (3 Modes)
Aspect Ratio Adjustment (# of modes) : Yes (6 Modes)
EZ Video/Picture Selection Mode : 5 Modes
Gamma Correction : Yes
Digital Luminance Transient Improver : Yes
High Contrast Screen w/Non-glare Coating : Yes
Mirror Type (Front Surface/Rear Surface/Mylar) : Yes (Front Surface Mirror)
Screen Pitch : 0.098mm
Audio : 40W(2*20W), 25W(Woofer)
Surround System Type : SRS TruSurround XT
Bass/Treble/Balance : Yes
Volume Leveler : Yes
Sound Selection Mode : Yes (5 Modes)
Speaker System Details : Stereo 3way * 7 Speakers
Sub Woofer : Yes (1)
Core Features
PAL/SECAM Analogue Tuner (Qty) : Yes (1)
DVB-T Digital Tuner (Qty) : Yes (1)
Xstudio (9-in-2 Multi Memory Card Slot) : Yes
Special Features
Custom Channel Labels : Yes (Text, 100 Channels - Analog, 20 Channels - Digital)
Custom Input Labels : No
Hide Input Function : No
PIP : Yes
POP : Yes (4 Pics)
Split Screen : Yes
PIP/Freeze/Exchange/Move : Yes (PIP/Freeze/Exchange)
Discrete IR Codes : Yes
Favorite Channel Selection/Surf : Yes (10 Channels)
Zoom Type (Advanced, Multi) : Yes (Cinema zoom)
On/Off Timer : Yes
Sleep Timer : Yes
Auto Off (When no video is present) : Yes
Flashback (Previous Channel) : Yes
Parental Control With V-Chip : Yes(DVB-T)
Menus System : Yes (Bit Mapped -2D)
Auto Programming : Yes
Auto Demo : Yes
XD Engine : Yes (IEP2)
Program Guide (Y/N) : Yes
Program Guide Type : NOW/NEXT
"IEEE 1394 Software Capability : No
Decoder Formats (MPEG 2, MPEG 4, DivX, WMA 9) : MPEG2
Inputs/Outputs
RF Inputs (Qty) : 1 (separate from analog RF)
Rear A/V Input : 2
Front A/V Input : 1
Rear Composite Video Out : Yes(RF/AV Monitor Out)
Rear Component Video Input - Qty : 2
RGB In (15 pin) - Type & Qty : (PC/DTV), 1 Jack
RGB Associated Audio In and Type : Yes (Phono)
RGB Out (15 pin) : No
HDMI - Qty : Yes, 2 w/HDCP(Port 1 : HDMI & DVI, Port2 : HDMI Only)
Headphone Out : No
Digital Audio (Optical ) Out : Yes(1)
Digital Audio (Optical) In : Yes(2, Use for Component 2 and DVI)
RS-232c Control : No
RS-232c Software Upgrade Interface : Yes
Remote Control In (IR) : Yes
Speaker Jacks and Type : No
Variable Audio Out and Type : Yes (RCA)
Digital Cable Card Slot : No
IEEE 1394/DTCP : No
IR Jack : No
See below for 1080P
General
Width x Height x Depth : 1840 * 1155 * 564 (mm) (TBD)
Weight Out of Package : 63Kg (TBD)
Weight In Package : 78Kg (TBD)
Width x Height x Depth on Rack : 1840 * 1543 * 564 (mm) (TBD)
Width x Height x Depth in packaging : 1936 * 1280 * 679 (mm) (TBD)
It'll compete with Sony and JVC.
What the specs don't say, is whether or not it will accept a 1080p signal via HDMI. Despite having a 1080p native resolution, the Sony does not accept 1080p via HDMI.
We'll see how they look. Haven't had a chance to see the 1080p JVCs, they were delayed/recalled, and not out when they originally said they would be. Hopefully, the LGs will be good-I wasn't impressed with their plasmas though.
Jack
I am told they will accept 1080P in. Also note those are Australian specs. The US tuner will be different. Expect these to show up here sometime after CES and much less expensive than the Sony. The Sony is an awesome TV also. Anyone buying one of these LCoS units will be glad they passed on DLP imo.
.
I went back to Sears to further investigate why the Sony SXRD looked so bad. The salesman told me it was the only TV on the floor that could not display an HD picture because its location in the store - no hookup available.Afterwards, I drove to Circuit City which is another retailer in the area. They had both Sony SXRD televisions - 50 and 60 inch - on the floor displayed with DirecTV High Definition. It was the best picture in the store especially on the 60 inch model.
My only concern were the yellows might have been exaggerated. They were showing the NFL channel and the re-broadcast of last weekend's Bucs-Bears game. The grass field at times seemed too yellowish compared with the Samsung DLP which was displayed right next to it.
Needless to say, in the showroom displays, everything is CRANKED up. Colors may be a bit saturated, but I don't have a problem with too much yellow. The next time you go, play with the settings a bit-if they won't give you the remote, there are some controls on the side of the set. The damn set has something like 22 different controls for adjusting the picture-some dramatic, some subtle. Callibrating takes patience.
enjoy,
Jack
I went to Tweeter and was looking at the new sony SXRD,Samsung,Toshiba and LG. Iwas about to use the remote to look at the settings when the sales rep ask if I needed any help.I said no that I wanted to clear the store settings and adjust the set myself, when he said we don't change the factory settings,right I said to myself but he was right.It was the first time I ever had that happen.The samsung HLR5678W 1080p was by far the sharpest,cleanest set of all.
I was in my local Sears and saw the 50 inch version of this Sony. The picture was far from impressive. The Sony LCD's looked much better. All the TVs in the store were playing the same source material (maybe a DVD?). Why did this TV not look great? Do you think it might have been not properly setup?I am shopping for a 60-70" television now. I almost never watch DVD's. I mostly watch sports. I do not need a flat screen. What TV is recommended? I want something will take advantage of 1080p when and if it ever happens. I am told the new Sonys will not accept a 1080p signal. Is this true?
Was it the LCOS? Odds are, the sets aren't set up well-no surprise there. If you are looking for a large TV, you may wish to consider some of the large DLPs. They don't do much for me, but you may like them. No, the Sony doesn't accept 1080p, even though that is its native resolution. Then again, neither do the Samsungs, Mits., or JVCs. As far as I know, only the HPs accept full 1080p signals, but all accept 1080i. That being said, I don't know of any 1080p sources-HD TV doesn't have it, and supposedly Blu-ray may not either. I'm not too worried about that, since I mostly watch DVDs. The down side, is that SD TV can really look like crap.
Jack
Blu-ray will probably have 1080p output. Not that it matters that much.
Jack
They sure are.......absolutely smoke DLP and LCD in the largest formats (60-70"). I am waiting for the LGs to arrive as they should cost much less. They have the same 3-chip technology and a brighter picture. My only small gripe with the Sony was the picture was a bit dim for daylight viewing in my opinion.
I picked up the 60" last week. Outside of some mild reflections (an issue with all TVs in my house) there isn't any real problem with daytime watching, though I admit I do most of my viewing at night. I'm mildly curious about the LGs, to see how they stack up to the Sonys.
Jack
Very nice......you have the best large format TV on the market right now IMO. I will be interested to see the LG to compare.
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