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• Nah - you don't need the monitor..... - Gaspode 15:39:12 02/17/06 (1)
  In Reply to: The coming HDCP nightmare posted by jbmcb on February 17, 2006 at 08:24:02:

  Necessity is the mother of invention ;-)

  
  

  • http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/DCDA1.ASP   (Open in New Window)

  
  

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  • input - Joe Murphy Jr 20:31:00 02/17/06 (0)
    In Reply to: Nah - you don't need the monitor..... posted by Gaspode on February 17, 2006 at 15:39:12:

    If you want to use this, just be sure you have an RGB or VGA input on your display. That "little black box" actually uses an HDCP decrypting chip from a popular television manufacturer. When this first came out, it was only $249. Wonder what it's going for now...
    
    

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• huh? - Joe Murphy Jr 09:41:32 02/17/06 (1)
  In Reply to: The coming HDCP nightmare posted by jbmcb on February 17, 2006 at 08:24:02:

  Want to watch a blue-ray or HD-DVD on your computer? You'll need Windows Vista (Not 2000, XP, or 2003) an HDCP compliant video card AND monitor.

  For the full resolution, yes. But you will still be able to play High Definition movies on your PC with the other Operating Systems in a downrezzed form (at least 960x540) if you have an appropriate Blu-Ray or HD-DVD computer drive.

  You won't be able to make copies. You won't be able to watch high-definition output on anything but a completely HDCP enabled display chain (player, receiver/switcher, monitor/projector) The anti-copy protection for blue-ray (AACS) isn't even finalized yet.

  Part of the AACS requirement for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD allows for at least 1 copy. Via an HDMI-HDCP or DVI-HDCP chain, you will be able to view the full digital resolution on the disc. Full analog resolution output is viewable if the content provider allows it. Several studios have already said they will allow full resolution via the analog outputs: those that don't will allow 960x540 analog output. AACS is waiting on the final agreement with the BD+ system. After that (should be in about a month), it's done.

  On top of that, the new players will have wonky copy-protection schemes (sub-audiable watermarking, proposed player hacking protection via phone-home monitoring) The codec selection is disappointing (MPEG2 - OK, but getting old, MPEG4 - CAN be good, VC1 -motion artifact city)

  No player will require an internet connection to play the movie. An internet connection may be required to enable some web-based material or possibly unlock special disc content, but the movie itself will never require an internet connection. The MPEG2 format on the next gen discs will be better than what you can see on DVD, HDTV or D-VHS/D-Theater today. The MPEG4 used for the next gen discs will not be the version that most people are familiar with today: this version (MPEG4/v.10/H.264 AP) will rival the master. As for VC-1 being "artifact city", you could not be farther off base: it will rival the master as well.

  Looks like the businessmen have been trying to be engineers again. Yet another set of technologies destined to go the way of DAT, DCC, SACD, Minidisc, DVD-Audio...

  How much money do you want to lose on this bet?
  
  

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  • argh... - jbmcb 17:42:30 02/21/06 (0)
    In Reply to: huh? posted by Joe Murphy Jr on February 17, 2006 at 09:41:32:

    > But you will still be able to play High Definition movies on your PC with the other Operating Systems in a downrezzed form

    According to Microsoft's PVP-OPM documentation, it will be digitally blurred, not downrezzed. I'm sure it will look fantastic ;)

    > Part of the AACS requirement for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD allows for at least 1 copy.

    That's under debate right now. Yeah, you can make a copy, but, as it stands now, the watermarking features will disable playback of your copy.

    > No player will require an internet connection to play the movie.

    No, but they are talking about adding in protection against modding your player, so when it does call out for internet features, it will kill your box if you try to do anything the manufacturer doesn't want you to (think region-free player mods, disabling Macrovision, disabling forced content playback/ads, etc...)

    > The MPEG2 format on the next gen discs will be better than what you can see on DVD, HDTV or D-VHS/D-Theater today.

    Right, 'cause there's more space for the codec and a higher bitrate available. It won't be signifigantly better than D-VHS, it has about 7Mb/s higher data rate for HD content.

    > As for VC-1 being "artifact city", you could not be farther off base: it will rival the master as well.

    Then I hope Microsoft has cooked up some amazing new encoders, the current WMV9 HD "showcase" stuff is awful.

    > this version (MPEG4/v.10/H.264 AP) will rival the master.

    I've seen H.264 stuff as well, and haven't been impressed. I'm hoping the recent 'fidelity' changes will improve things a bit.

    > How much money do you want to lose on this bet?

    My friend is an acute videophile. He's got the dedicated room, fancy seven channel surround, isf calibrated RPTV, and about five hundred DVD's. He's already pissed that he has to buy DVDs two or three times until he gets a properly transfered anamorphic print, he can't fathom rebuying a film AGAIN, along with a new player and monitor, just so he can get HD.

    He's a perfect representation of the movie buyer's ideal, core market, and the proponents of the new formats have him thoroughly pissed off. I know more people like him, which leads me to belive there won't be enough market for two new incompatable and restrictive formats.

    
    
    

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