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In Reply to: Re: Thanks for the FUD, bud. posted by racerguy on March 21, 2006 at 09:48:19:
It appears the recurring pattern on internet forums, not just this particular site, is one of nit picking, inaccurate reading between the lines and an over all "I know more than the other guy" approach. Being in the business of consulting and selling high end A/V gear as well as 30 plus years of enjoying this hobby leads me to believe that my attempts on this forum to help and assist are simply a case of barking up the wrong tree. In order to win the confidence of my clients I see no need to thump my own chest with recitals of laser lengths and sampling rates despite having a more than adequate knowledge of the technical side of audio/video. If I were to conduct myself in this manner I don't believe our business would have been voted top A/V retailer in the city.
This last post was the last straw.
As a current owner of a Pioneer DV563A Universal I am well aware that there are SOME exceptions to my suggestions but these exceptions are far and few between. As with our friend, Michi, the point seems to be lost or misconstrued... at no point are my suggestions "hard and fast rules". In fact, where in my posts do I suggest that? I love an intelligent debate but I believe I will limit my future communications to my friends and clients, existing and prospective. The internet is a wonderful tool but as is always the case the tool is only as effective as it's user...now THAT is a hard and fast rule! Good luck!
Follow Ups:
> > In fact, where in my posts do I suggest that? < <In the post to which I replied, wherein you made a non-equivocal statement. And now you're upset, and threatening to abandon internet forums because you think we should have understood what you MEANT, as opposed to what you SAID. I think you should make good on your threat.
Hi Racerguy et al,You may be right in that I may need to spell out in a meticulous fashion my viewpoints and suggestions. I just didn't think that long winded elaborations are suited in these environments but here I go...
I do enjoy the banter back and forth on our hobby. My concern was based on responses that really don't address the meat and potatoes of postings in general, not just my contributions, mis-understandings are part and parcel of this form of communication. For example, my admittedly sarcastic reference to "DVD's are SACDs...really", of course I am aware since their inception that SACD needs the storage capacity of a Digital Versatile Disc but the posting from Joe Jr seems to intimate that I wasn't clear on this issue and he good naturedly is providing reassurance. But whatever... the key to these forums is exchanging experiences and precedent based knowledge to enhance the enjoyment of the media and provide guidance on equipment/media acquisition and proper set up of same. No acrimony here...do I have to take my marbles and go home or can I still play?
Anytime the electronics industry takes a big step, it's taking a risk. It's a gamble that the direction the companies head in will either dig a financial hole too deep to climb out of or be a huge money-maker like DVD has been. And as a consumer, dealer or distributor, we all share in the gain or loss from that journey.Your concern seems more focused on the hardware, probably due to the fact that early DVD players were somewhat less than stellar at CD playback. While I agree that's an honest concern, I don't think you have to worry about them screwing up like before. When the DVD format came out, it was pretty much the industry's first step into an optical format combining audio and video. It was a learning experience for the hardware manufacturers as well as the software designers. In effect, early adopters really were guinea pigs -- not on purpose, but because the industry was taking such a leap.
You can call me overly optimistic, but I don't think that many of the mistakes the industry made with hardware and software at DVD's inception are going to be repeated. Yes, I'm sure there will be glitches here and there, but that's to be expected when anything new comes out. There's bound to be bugs to work out, but nothing that can't be fixed in short order. And as for horrid playback of CDs or DVDs, I'm sure the lesson was learned with DVD. As I said before, much has been learned from the DVD format and even more has been learned since the DVD format's launch. Believe it or not, many of the technologies and features that will be present in the next gen format were being worked on before DVD even came about.
The next year is going to be very interesting: certainly lots of scrambling and confusion in the first few months. Perhaps the naysayers will be right and it will be a grand mess that never sorts itself out. Or maybe it will be a grand finale for what will probably be the last optical disc format produced for distribution. I'm leaning toward the latter.
Couldn't have said it better myself. At the end of the day we need to keep people interested in quality audio/video. Unfortunately, and I occasionally fall into this trap, we get too wrapped up in the equipment & set-up and forget about the emotional involvement and enjoyment of the music and/or film. The HD DVD and Blu ray roll out has distracted those in-the-know and have confused the general population that have a slightly more than passing interest. The immediate result has been a dramatic decline in sales for mid to high performance disc players and that is a crime because we have currently have the best crop of Universal, CD/SACD and dedicated CD players in the history of the industry. These players may be passed up and discontinued because of the current state of affairs and that, again, is a crime. My suggestion is, if there is a desire to upgrade disc players, buy one of the better performers available now( 2ch Marantz Reference SA15/SA11, Esoteric,multi ch DV7600/DV9600 etc) and keep your existing DVD player for the next year or so.
So at the end of the day let's hope that the HD DVD/Blu Ray rolls out successfully and that the industry taps into the audio-only capabilities(granted hi rez available only through HDMI with respective HDMI inputs of AVR/pre-pro) AND that the backwards compatibility eventually includes SACD as well as non compromised NTSC DVD playback. Here's a thumbs up( and fingers crossed!) to an interesting year and keep enjoying the music!
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