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In Reply to: explanations posted by Joe Murphy Jr on April 28, 2006 at 20:58:14:
Joe,
What exactly was I hearing via analog 5.1 that sounded so good...other than it being down a few db?
Was this DD+ as I was assuming?It was definitely the best sound I ever hear as far as movie soundtracks go...with an almost discrete cleaner sound with more bass impact.
If DD Tru HD and DTS-HD are going to be even better sounding than this down the road via hdmi 1.3....were in for a treat imo.
I hate to have to wait until September to get the Panasonic Blu Ray player that is evidently the first announced player with hdmi 1.3....or who knows how long for an hd dvd player with 1.3.
To change this on any of the other players would require a hardwae upgrade...no?
Follow Ups:
There won't be any hardware upgrades to HDMI 1.3 (not only the HDMI chip, but various internal processing is different).I don't know what the defaults are for audio, but you should be able to pick from a few different audio codecs.
The Panasonic player may or may not feature HDMI 1.3, as two HDMI chip manufacturers have said it may be Q1 07 before they're ready. If Panasonic wants HDMI 1.3, they will either have to wait or manufacture it in-house. There's only a few manufacturers that I would trust to do it in-house correctly : Panasonic is one of them.
Personally, I don't think we need all of these different audio formats. Both DTS-HD and Dolby Digital TrueHD offer a lossless soundtrack along with a backward compatible lossy soundtrack. With a decoder in the player, the output can be analog through the analog outputs and digital (PCM) through the HDMI 1.1 output. HDMI 1.3 will allow the undecoded soundtrack to be sent via HDMI to a receiver/processor with an HDMI 1.3 input (if you so choose). If you want to use the TOSlink/coax digital output, the lossy track can be sent this way. Voila -- you've satisfied everyone. Why do we need any of the other audio formats?
I hope that HD and True HD are superior to CD quality.Hopefully they are the equal to DVD-A, and that's why DVD-A is being phased out.
We clearly need something superior to Dolby Digital (DD).
I'm more excited about the audio possibilities, than the video. In fact, I hope one becomes the standard.
DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD are both lossless formats. In fact, Dolby TrueHD is actually MLP (with a few little changes). Both are superior to CD (which is 16-bit/44.1kHz). However, it's up to the content provider as to how superior the soundtrack is. For example, The Phantom of the Opera (HD DVD) has a 5.1 Dolby TrueHD soundtrack, but it's 16/48. What asshole at Warner Bros (the antithesis of quality audio) made this fucked up decision? The minimum acceptable standard for High Resolution audio is a 20-bit wordlength at a 48kHz sampling rate.The DTS-HD stream provides both a lossles soundtrack and a lossy soundtrack (for backward compatibility). The Dolby TrueHD stream also provides both a lossless soundtrack and a lossy soundtrack for backward compatibility. If the content provider uses DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, no other format (Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, PCM, etc) is needed. They are just bloat!
I am happy with DD+..and I am sure any linear pcm audio that happens to be on some Sony discs down the road.
One other complaint about the HD-A1....it clips blacks via hdmi, which is supposed to be the defacto standard...or so you would think.
This just proves once again that Toshiba is nowhere near "the first name in quality". I heard about this a few weeks ago and the first thought that came into my mind was, as Kramer (CNBC's Mad Money host) would say, "Don't buy! Don't buy!". That revelation made purchase of the Toshiba HD DVD player a no-brainer: Just say NO!Given this, it's pretty ironic that Toshiba spent a great deal of marketing money in promoting the better picture quality attained when the complete video signal is available to the display (especially below black video) nearly a decade ago when DVD first emerged. I applauded them for doing so back then, but they now need a kick in the ass for being so irresponsible with this screw up at HD DVD's launch. What makes matters worse is that their HDMI DVD players were hammered on this very subject when they were released.
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