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I sent my reply and was greeted by the retarded "your shit ain't there" message. I didn't type this for nothing, so here's a copy & paste for you...Re: 1920x1080 resolution, you won't see this via 42" plasma until late 2007/2008 (there were some rumblings from Hitachi, but I doubt they're anywhere close to mass production). Pioneer has just released a 50" model, but the MSRP is $10k. Panasonic previewed a 50" model at one of the shows, but for whatever reason they will not be releasing it this year. However, they will be releasing a 65" model in about 2 months and the MSRP should be around $8.5k or very close to it. And if 65" isn't enough for you, they are now taking orders for their 103" plasma (that's right, over 8 1/2 ft of Full HD plasma -- guess LG and Samsung know who's got the biggest dick now!). Other than that, as far as I know it won't be until at least Q1/Q2 '07 before anyone else gets into the 1920x1080 resolution category for plasma.
Best Buy and Circuit City usually have 1080i Hi-Def feeds going throughout the store. Unfortunately, not every display is getting the best feed due to how those signals are routed and the crazy settings some displays are using. There's a Best Buy about 35mi from where I am living and the consumer 50" Panasonic has one of the worst pictures compared to the rest of the plasmas (nearly all of the settings are cranked to the max and it's running in Vivid mode!). If anyone bases their decision on the images that these displays are currently giving, they'd be making a serious mistake.
Based on impressions of the new Panasonic 50" 9UK model, Panasonic has another winner in the plasma category. While it's not 1920x1080, the 1366x768 pixels still produce the best blacks in all of plasma and the new 16-bit processing adds a new dimension to the already excellent picture. And if you're worried about input resolutions, for the last several years Panasonic's commercial models have supported, along with other input resolutions, 1920x1080p (as in progressive input, not just interlaced) over analog -- RGB(HV), YPbPr and VGA -- and digital -- via the DVI-HDCP card.
Since you mentioned Oppo, be forewarned that Panasonic's plasmas are in that list of displays that don't get along with Faroudja's 23xx series chips (all-in-one deinterlacing/scaling). Oppo did some tweaking to their 971 DVI player to reduce the artifacts, but not all manufacturers responded in the way that they did. Their new 970 HDMI player doesn't use the Faroudja chip; instead, it uses Mediatek's all-in-one deinterlacer/scaler and therefore doesn't exhibit those artifacts. It's not as good as the Faroudja chip, but not having artifacts is a welcomed trade-off for some.
Follow Ups:
Will they hit the early 2007 release or will they need more time? Here's the 12/05 news from Hitachi-Fujitsu (though it's all Hitachi now, since Fujitsu sold them their part of the business):
Looks like they're serious:
Thanks for your reply. I typed this long question, posted it for several minutes, and then decided, "nah, I'm not going to bug anybody with this question. I'll just delete it."But you read at least part of it before I deleted it, and I appreciate your answer. The main question concerned anamorphic DVDs and plasma sets, the latter fed by an upconverting DVD player through HDMI.
I will purchase a plasma, and my viewing habits are watching my movie collection on DVD. I purchase anamorphic widescreen DVDs whenever possible. I assume a good upconverting DVD player feeding signal through HDMI "should" give the best possible picture (and I'm awaiting DVD players to come out with the 1.3 spec).
I recognize this doesn't compare with hi-rez video (blu-ray, HD-DVD). I won't enter that fray "yet", and I don't know whether many of my favorite movies I own on DVD will come out in either format.
So I'm trying to determine what anamorphic DVDs look like on a plasma, and my interest in 1920 X 1080 plasma was to hedge my bets since this newer technology is just breaking out in the marketplace. To buy one of the newer players for blu-ray or HD-DVD will eventually be a fairly inexpensive proposition (certainly < $1,000). To replace a plasma display (so it will display 1920 X 1080) will be a more expensive proposition.
I know friends with front projectors and DLPs, but no friends who have plasmas who watch anamorphic DVDs.
Actually, I probably won't buy an Oppo DVD player. I have a Marantz DV-8300 universal player for listening to RBCD, DVD-A & SACD. The newer Marantz top-of-the-line universal players (e.g., DV-9600) are fairly good for audio and video. I might buy one of these, or even one of the newly announced Denon universal players
townsend
Go to the nearest Best Buy or Circuit City, but it may take going to a specialty store to do this. Ask to talk to the manager or the "person in control" of the display department. Explain to them that you are interested in buying a plasma, but you're concerned about the picture quality from DVDs. You've seen the feed from the Hi-Def sources, but since the majority of your viewing will be DVDs from your movie collection, the picture quality from this source will have the most influence on your decision. Then ask if they will allow you to bring a few DVDs from your collection (no porn, which is excellent on a plasma by the way, at least not during store hours) and your DVD player. Chances are they will probably not be too accomodating with the DVD player request, but should be able to hook up a decent player to a few plasmas for you. The personal DVDs should not be a problem as I doubt they will have "open box" DVDs for you to use and you would really want to do your evaluation based on content that you are familiar with. Try to set this up for when the store first opens so you can have time to evaluate the displays and are allowed to change the displays settings to get the best picture. If they aren't willing to do this for you, they aren't worth buying from in the first place.HDMI v1.3 should not be a concern for displays or DVD players. DVD players can't take advantage of what v1.3 offers and current sources won't be able to take advantage of the color and bandwidth advancements that are planned. HDMI v1.3 is needed for Blu-Ray and HD DVD players so that DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD can be sent in their compressed state to a surround receiver/processor capable of decoding these compressed streams. Unfortunately, despite what I just said, v1.3 will be needed by these components if downstream components not v1.3 will drop capability down to the lower level of HDMI. For instance, if you have a v1.3 Blu-ray player and feed it via HDMI to a surround receiver that's v1.3, but the display downstream is v1.0, how will that affect the chain? Does everything default to v1.0? Or will Blu-ray to receiver be v1.3 and receiver to display be v1.0?Logically, the lower level HDMI device should not influence the data exchange between the higher level HDMI devices, but that may not be the case. I don't think hdmi.org has fully clarified that yet.
Re: 1920x1080 plasmas, see my original comments on availability and pricing.
"And if 65" isn't enough for you, they are now taking orders for their 103" plasma"My little 37" plasma consumes 370 watts of electricity to run compared to 160 watts for a nominal 27" CRT TV. The 50" version sucks up over 500 watts. I know of one person who returned his 50" plasma TV because it overheated his smallish living room this hot summer. Now about those 103" plasma screens. How much power is that space heater? I would hesitate to own one as the screen to watch for hours on end. BTW, my 370 watt plasma, a Panasonic, got an "Energy Star" label on it. Hmmm.
Kurt
…......Early model Plasma screens were a little bit warm but to refer to them as space heaters is a gross exaggeration. Usually associated HT equipment will generate more heat than the screen. I live in a hot climate and have the house air-conditioned so it isn’t an issue whatsoever.I have several wide-screen CRT & Plasma TV’s including one in our bedroom. While you can feel a ‘warm heat’ emitting from the screen when you place the palm of your hand right in front of the screen it certainly doesn’t heat up the room.
To my knowledge the temperatures you guys experienced a few weeks back would heat up any domestic room without air-conditioning. The ambient temperatures would have been far higher than the heat emitting from a plasma screen.
As for power consumption I would think if you can’t afford the power bill then don’t buy large screen TV’s. I don’t believe power consumption of HT gear is really an issue for anyone who is buys it in the first place.
Maybe you are one of the rare breed of folk who won’t turn the air-con on in the car because it uses more fuel?
Life is just too short to worry about such insignificant things.
Smile
Sox
than your post? A penny.WTF kind of analogy was that? It's like saying "My Hummer gets 10 miles to the gallon compared to Honda Hybrids that get 55 miles to the gallon. I can't stand gas guzzlers. BTW, the Hummer passes the emission standards for California. Hmmm.".
> > > WTF kind of analogy was that? It's like saying "My Hummer gets 10 miles to the gallon compared to Honda Hybrids that get 55 miles to the gallon. I can't stand gas guzzlers. BTW, the Hummer passes the emission standards for California. Hmmm.". < < <Above is the anology you put forth for my post, which is completely wrong. If it were to have any kind of realistic analogy, a few words would have to change and it would read:
It's like saying "My Hummer gets 10 miles to the gallon compared to Honda Hybrids that get 55 miles to the gallon. [I, sic.] SOME can't stand gas guzzlers. BTW, my SMALLEST Hummer still passes the [emission, sic.] ENERGY STAR's standards for California ENERGY EFFICIENCY. Hmmm.".
Take a reading comprehension course. I hate stupid Internet dumbshits that rip into me because they can't understand simple English words that I write. So go to hell.
Anything. You rant over nothing here, buddy. Jeez, what is your f*cking problem? You think you're so big and important, don't you? Well you're not to me.
Heat loss was the reason I passed on a plasma unit last year. I've had hot water radiators that put out fewer BTUs than the 48"+ plasma screens.
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