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• Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum - racerguy 08:15:35 01/10/07 (20)
  In Reply to: Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum posted by DrOctodivx on January 9, 2007 at 17:08:08:

  The press release posted on LG's website says, "The unit supports various A/V formats, including MPEG-2, VC-1, H.264 video, MPEG1/2 audio, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital+, DTS and DTS-HD audio..."

  Do you see DVD-Audio or Dolby TrueHD listed in there anywhere?
  
  

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  • Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum - blackpixels 22:43:44 01/13/07 (0)
    In Reply to: Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 08:15:35:

    Lets extrapolate DVD-Audio hmmm Digital "Video" Disc - "Audio" or what about terms like DVD-Video audio (ie, DTS, DDigital) well, for that matter hell they're all read by an "optical" reader, by defintition; of or pertaining to sight or vision; visual. Do you get the sense new formats share traits?

    "Can't we all just co-exist"

    Humor guys, humor.
    
    

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  • Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum - DrOctodivx 09:59:56 01/10/07 (18)
    In Reply to: Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 08:15:35:

    TrueHD support is mandatory on HD DVD. If they don't support it, then they are not HD DVD. Since they say they are dual format, I assume that they are compliant.

    And if they are not compliant, then that is also of interest.
    
    

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    • They are NOT compliant - Jack G 04:42:06 01/11/07 (0)
      In Reply to: Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 09:59:56:

      The dual player does not have the ability to use the interactive aspects of HD DVD, so they are not up to spec. LG may get sued.
      Jack
      
      

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    • At the moment, it's completely irrelevant - racerguy 12:02:47 01/10/07 (16)
      In Reply to: Re: So, I am interested and I don't read the video forum posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 09:59:56:

      AFAIK, there is currently no HD-DVD TrueHD software available, not even video software. There certainly isn't any audio software available, and there haven't been any announcements that there will be any as of yet.

      Plus, the player will not play DVD-Audio discs. It doesn't even look like the thing will play CDs. It's a video player.

      So why is it that you are hellbent on discussing video players in the DVD- AUDIO forum, when there is a Video forum available for this very purpose?
      
      

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      • Totally Untrue - Jack G 04:45:54 01/11/07 (1)
        In Reply to: At the moment, it's completely irrelevant posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 12:02:47:

        There has been movies TrueHD available for quite some time now. You need to check your facts a little better.
        Jack
        
        

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        • Thanks for the info - racerguy 07:41:59 01/11/07 (0)
          In Reply to: Totally Untrue posted by Jack G on January 11, 2007 at 04:45:54:

          But it doesn't matter. The focus over in the DVD-Audio forum is AUDIO. There are not (as of yet) any audio-only releases.
          
          

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      • Re: Just received Heart "Alive in Seattle" in TrueHD - DrOctodivx 13:06:57 01/10/07 (13)
        In Reply to: At the moment, it's completely irrelevant posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 12:02:47:

        and that is not all:

        “Chicago/Earth, Wind & Fire: Live At The Greek"
        "Barry Manilow: Manilow Live!"

        Also both in TrueHD.

        There are also plenty of movies in TrueHD, some of which could appeal to Audiophiles, such as "The Phantom of the Opera".

        
        SO stating that there is not TrueHD software is simply false, and additionally it appeals to audiophiles such as myself.

        Why do YOU care so much?
        
        

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        • These are all videos, yes? - racerguy 13:29:38 01/10/07 (12)
          In Reply to: Re: Just received Heart "Alive in Seattle" in TrueHD posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 13:06:57:

          > > There are also plenty of movies in TrueHD, some of which could appeal to Audiophiles < <

          And that, sir, is why there is a VIDEO forum on Audio Asylum.

          > > Why do YOU care so much? < <

          Because I don't want to wade through a bunch of posts about video. That's why.
          
          

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          • Re: DVD-Audio could not include the video - DrOctodivx 13:36:54 01/10/07 (11)
            In Reply to: These are all videos, yes? posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 13:29:38:

            But they still had live releases. It seems to me that including the video with the Live audio is a bonus, but does not take away from the appreciation of the audio. Even if you don't watch the video, the audio is still great.

            > Because I don't want to wade through a bunch of posts about video.

            Come on, the vast majority of posts on this forum is people heckling ZS KEKL. It seems that TrueHD is a technologically related to DVD-Audio and is therefore much more relevant.
            
            

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            • Perhaps you are missing my point - racerguy 13:58:17 01/10/07 (10)
              In Reply to: Re: DVD-Audio could not include the video posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 13:36:54:

              Here on Audio Asylum there is a FILM forum to discuss movies; there is a VIDEO forum to discuss video players and things like BluRay/HD-DVD. If BluRay or HD-DVD becomes the next hi-rez AUDIO format at some point, it may be appropriate to discuss it here, or there may be a need for another forum; I don't know.

              At the moment, BluRay/HD-DVD players and the media are video-focused. To my way of thinking, since this is a forum focused specifically on Audio and an Audio-only format, video-oriented discussions aren't appropriate.

              I have requested the moderators to review this thread and make a ruling on the issue. Hopefully we'll get some clarification or direction.
              
              

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              • Re: The next gen formats are for both Video and Audio - DrOctodivx 14:20:43 01/10/07 (9)
                In Reply to: Perhaps you are missing my point posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 13:58:17:

                I am interested in Audiophile quality sound, which TrueHD, an MLP based technology, gives us on these new platforms - and is also a new direction of MLP technology which makes it relevant to DVD-Audio.

                I discuss the audio aspect's of these new technologies on this forum, and therefore is different from what such discussions would be on the Video forum. I am not interested in the video forum since I am interested in the audio part of the next gen solution.

                Somehow I feel you have other motives, though I am not sure what they are. This forum is hardly so busy that it cannot digress into discussions of related technologies.
                
                

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                • Fair comment - Metralla 15:00:51 01/10/07 (0)
                  In Reply to: Re: The next gen formats are for both Video and Audio posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 14:20:43:

                  This forum is hardly so busy that it cannot digress into discussions of related technologies.

                  On that point, I would agree.
                  
                  Regards,
                  Geoff
                  
                  

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                • Not yet they aren't - racerguy 16:17:38 01/10/07 (7)
                  In Reply to: Re: The next gen formats are for both Video and Audio posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 14:20:43:

                  I have stated my point several times - at this point in the development cycle, the new formats and platforms are video-focused. The soundtrack on a video disc can certainly be "audiophile-quality," but it's still part of the video. It is not a separate audio entity. Perhaps there will be a time in the near future when we see audio-only releases on BluRay/HD-DVD, but that time is not here yet.

                  The same thing took place with DVD-Audio. When the DVD format was first released, it was totally video-focused. At a later time, the audio side was developed.

                  The basic features to do this with BluRay/HD-DVD are available now, but they are not yet being used, and there are no announcements yet that this will happen. Your interest is understandable, but in my view it is premature. This is still the DVD-Audio forum, and unless we're collectively prepared to declare the format completely dead (which I'm not prepared to do), it seems to me that it should stay the DVD-Audio forum.

                  As I said, I stated my view on this, not once, but several times. I have tried to be perfectly clear about my reasons for my opinion. Your attempt to ascribe ulterior motives to me strikes me as both pathetic and somewhat malicious. What is your purpose for doing this?
                  
                  

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                  • Re: I buy a live concert because I want the high quaity audio - DrOctodivx 16:29:26 01/10/07 (0)
                    In Reply to: Not yet they aren't posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 16:17:38:

                    The fact that there is also video is a bonus, but I buy it for my hi-rez listening pleasure.

                    Yes, DVD was created originally to be Video focused, however they learned from that limitation and the new standards fully take audio into account so the new next-gen media are really hybrid audio and video entities.

                    My motive is that I am interested in hi-rez audio no matter in what form it comes, and these MLP releases are very related to what this board is about.

                    I think that future hi-rez releases on next gen media will mostly all come with video of some form or another, this was not possible with DVD-Audio due to capacity constraints, but if a release is audio centric, there is no reason why it cannot also benefit from a video component, and that is what we are seeing with some TrueHD releases, such as the ones I listed earlier in this thread.
                    
                    

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                  • Your interest is understandable, but in my view it is premature... So what? - Pacman 19:26:50 01/10/07 (5)
                    In Reply to: Not yet they aren't posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 16:17:38:

                    This forum has not been about DVD-A for several months. It has been about KEKL. Actually discussing ANY new technology is a welcome break. I don't know what the implications of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD technology are for high quality audio, except for the fact that both formats are capable of being used for Hi rez sound. That fact is of great interest to me and I am sure that it is of interest to many others as well. Why not use the DVD-A forum for this discussion? The fact that we do says nothing about the future of DVD-A pro or con and audio is generally not discussed in any video forum.

                    Everyone agrees that, except for flame wars between the KEKL and everyone else, this forum is pretty slow. So why not open it up for other topics relating to DVD format and audio that have wide interest? Isn't that what this website is all about?
                    
                    

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                    • It's a format-specific forum, for a reason - racerguy 20:06:11 01/10/07 (3)
                      In Reply to: Your interest is understandable, but in my view it is premature... So what? posted by Pacman on January 10, 2007 at 19:26:50:

                      > > This forum has not been about DVD-A for several months. It has been about KEKL. < <

                      Unfortunately, this forum has ALWAYS been about KEKL, and a couple of other format cheerleaders. That's why it was split off from Hi-Rez in the first place. It's also about DVD-Audio, which does occasionally get discussed here in between people attempting to torment KEKL. If there were less KEKL-bashers, there would be less KEKL, and there might even be more discussions about DVD-Audio. Unless, of course, the forum transitions to new formats.

                      So you want to bring discussions about new formats here? Well, there's two competing technologies, and a new format war. Do you understand that this will simply create yet another situation like the one that existed on Hi-Rez before it was split up? There will be more cheerleading, plenty of fresh format warriors, and new KEKL-clones.

                      If you're looking to pick sides and do battle, I can see why you'd want to transition this forum to the new technologies. The forum has a proven track record as a battleground, and has the right mix of experienced cheerleaders and veteran format warriors to get the fire started.

                      So, after you guys have turned the forum into Format Hell, where will those of us who might actually want to discuss DVD-Audio go?
                      
                      

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                      • Re: IMO, you are overreacting - DrOctodivx 21:46:13 01/10/07 (2)
                        In Reply to: It's a format-specific forum, for a reason posted by racerguy on January 10, 2007 at 20:06:11:

                        These technologies fall perfectly in line with the interests of the people on this forum.

                        This forum has been around for a while and it was not always about KEKL as you claim. It has slowed down significantly but there used to be lots of technical discussions over hear.

                        And despite his flaws, KEKL also contributes to this forum (and as far as the war of words go, KEKL is certainly not the only one responsible).
                        
                        

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                        • Apparently, the moderators think HD-DVD/BR discussions belong in Video (nt) - racerguy 07:40:59 01/11/07 (1)
                          In Reply to: Re: IMO, you are overreacting posted by DrOctodivx on January 10, 2007 at 21:46:13:

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                          • Good call - thank you moderator - Metralla 19:09:29 01/11/07 (0)
                            In Reply to: Apparently, the moderators think HD-DVD/BR discussions belong in Video (nt) posted by racerguy on January 11, 2007 at 07:40:59:

                            Any video whatsoever - it belongs here.
                            
                            Regards,
                            Geoff
                            
                            

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                    • Re: Exactly my sentiments - DrOctodivx 21:42:22 01/10/07 (0)
                      In Reply to: Your interest is understandable, but in my view it is premature... So what? posted by Pacman on January 10, 2007 at 19:26:50:

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