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While shopping for my first HD set the one thing i have been certain about (in an ordeal smothered with uncertainties) is that whatever i ended up getting would be a 1080P display. This, naturally, limited my choices to RPTV or LCD, seeing how my budget is $2000-$2500. After narrowing it down to a Mitsubishi 7/631 or a JVC HD-ILA 52". Another reason why i figured 1080P was a given in my case was the hi-res DVD formats emerging...they are all 1080P output, no?I then, before finalizing my decision, walked over to the 720P plasma section and checked out some 42-50" sets, specifically the Panasonic TH50PX60U, a $2000 set. The PQ of plasmas has always impressed me but i have always dismissed outright becasue of reflection, power usage and burn-in concerns...and more importantly, no 1080P in my price range. After checking out the plasmas i realized that, 720P or not, i truly do enjoy the look of the plasmas over the rear projection sets i had been considering. I had always thought this, but those otehr factors had kept me away from evne seriously considering one.
I then began to reconsider(once more), and began to realize that no broadcaster will be sourcing 1080P material any time in the forseeable future(therefore meaning ALL content viewed on a 1080P unit is upconverted, which not always for the best) and SD channels will look better on a 720P upconversion as opposed to a 1080P upconversion (this is an accepted given, no?)
So...as stated in my title, are there reasons why 1080P is not necessarily a logical purchase in my case AND why it may not be the defacto successor in terms of HDTV display technology.
I agian appreciate everyone's attention and help...
Follow Ups:
I don't get the whole power usage fright associated with plasmas. We've had a 50" Panasonic plasma in the living room for about 6 months which is on quite a bit and noticed no increase in electricity. Is it a moral concern? I'm really interested to know. I mean, come on, at most it's a few cents a day which shouldn't logically factor into the decision to buy a tv set for thousands of dollars. Am I wrong?
i hear ya...the plasma i ended up getting uses 550w i believe and the DLP i was considering also uses 350w. Now, what's 200 extra watts gonna do to my electric bil. Not a lot.
Having said that, my concerns with energy usage were twofold...conservation and $$$. I try to take conservation into consideration when i shop for something that needs external power sources. It was obviously one of the minor issues i had with plasmas cause i ended up getting the plasma anyway.
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Watts consumed must be multiplied by time to get a usable value of consumption. 200 watts for 8 hours/day gets 1.6 kilowatt-hours (kWh). Figure about 15 cents/kWh.
I've had a Panny TH-50PX600U now for about 4 months, after looking closely at Pioneer Elite, and Sony KDL46XBR3. Needless to say, the Pioneer and Sony are considerably more $$$, but not considerably better in overall PQ.The Panny is very, very good, and of course is a much better value at this point in time. I bought an Oppo 981 to bring things up to date for me, and have to say that standard DVD looks amazing, and HD broadcast is excellent overall.
I'm a pretty happy camper. I've looked at LCOS sets for several years now-the biggest single improvement on the 1080p sets over 720p is the inclusion of a dynamic iris. The black levels and shadow detail are now good enough to satisfy me.Gripes? Well, the infamous silk screen effect is visible, but much less so since I calibrated the picture with Digital Video Essentials. It's hardly a deal-breaker for me, although YMMV. The geometry is slightly off, but that's the case with every set I've seen. Mine has a slight upward bend in the upper left hand corner, but you don't notice it with most program material. The picture wasn't centered very well out of the box, but I was able to fix that in the service menu. If you watch TV late at night with the volume very low you'll hear some fan noise-again, not a deal breaker for me.
My Samsung 5686 looked great at Fry's; got it home and cannot stomach the picture. Every blue and green glows like it was painted with a kids paintbox. But as far as your shopping goes, the glass reflects light horribly, it cannot be watched during the daytime. So ask the seller if you can see it in daylight, not the darkened Best Buy showroom.
Several professional reviewers have noted this, as well-it's a hyper-reality, somewhat cartoonish look. Gamers would enjoy it, and the Pixar films look amazing-but I prefer a more natural look.
Those cartoons look great.
my '04 Sony CRT RPTV has assorted video modes including an enhanced mode that brightens and intensifies all colors up plus a standard mode, plus assorted other modes such as a theater mode with more laid back color still.
I can't believe ths Samsung would not have some pretty sophisticated means to fine tune the color settings as well either one color parameter at a time or from a menu of choices with names or both.I have the settings of my front projector very different for how they were originally in an effort to make blacks as dark as possible as well as give me colors similar to what I see at weekly outings to a favorite theater, not more nor less intense.
But like a speaker that produces overemphasized mid-bass, gaudy flat panel colors attract showroom attention. I think you need to carefully calibrate the Samsung and I would bet there is nothing in terms of color intensity you are somehow stuck with.
Start by adjusting down the Blue and green.
There was another picture setting in the setup section called "film mode" that was on. Off, the colors faded into normal, VERY GOOD picture now. Another Duilawyer false alarm (se my McIntosh 275 panic on amps). I think it comes from growing up poor.
I highly recommend a professional calibration by a trained ISF technician to make the display realize all that it is capable of.
I think that you will be making a big mistake that you would later regret if you don't go with the display type that you know you like best. As I said in a thread of yours further down, I also prefer Plasma over all the RPTVs and LCD."SD channels will look better on a 720P upconversion as opposed to a 1080P upconversion "
It really depends on the processing (deinterlacing and scaling) that the set is using. I personally would not make such a big deal about 1080p, 720p is a very good picture and if you are not the type to buy or rent a lot of movies then it's not really an issue, at least anytime soon.
Just buy the best looking tv (according to YOUR EYE, not someone's review) that's within your allotted budget. If you keep waiting for the newest specs or features you will never make a decision. Buy one today and begin enjoying it. Sometimes the best help that we can receive is the proverbial swift kick!
If you are going to sit rather far from your set, 1080p may not be as crucial. OTOH, if you wish to sit close,it will be. My biggest complaint with plasmas is the screen door effect-seeing the pixals. Its an issue with 720, not with 1080p. As a rule, 720/1080i broadcasts tend to look better upscaled/deinterlaced to a native resolution of 1080p. HD DVD and Blu-Ray certainly looks better at 1080p, as do upscaled DVDs.
But, that's just me-buy what you lke.
Jack
I saw a Mit 52628 for $1300...a floor model. Damn cheap, but no 1080P input and it utilizes "wobulation" to achieve "1080P".
I am going to ask BB guy to play a 1080P Blue-ray disc into the Panasonic TH50PX60U tomorrow. If it looks outta site, even on a 720P display, i may have a solution to my quest.
It's been my understanding that neither format (Blue Ray or HD) is 1080p. Am I wrong about that?
There are technical differences as to how each format flags the material, but both formats encode up to 1920x1080p24 (there are also options for different resolutions and frame rates). So far, films encoded for both of them are 1080p on disc.Blu-ray allows for direct output of 1080p24 (no conversion/on disc = output, as long as the hardware and firmware allow for it), but HD DVD flags the 1080p24 material to be output as 1080i60. For HD DVD to output 1080p24, either the decoder must ignore the flags (not happening at the moment) or the 1080i60 output from the decoder must be deinterlaced and reverse telecined (36 repeated frames are excluded from output).
I do like plasmas. As mentioned elsewhere, they have a glossy screen, so reflections in a well lit room are a major consideration. I never understood why they don't use glare free glass.
Jack
I think you are headed in the right direction now. CR doent love those Pannys for no good reason, and they have studied tons of sets in great detail.
I a mgoing to go to BBuy and ask them to hook up a Blue-Ray player to the Panasonic 60U. I am going to ask the kind saleperson to play a BR disc on the 60U. If i am stunned by the picture...no matter if it is taking full advantage of the 1080P signal(which it isn't)...i am going to get it.
Oh, and i found it for $1699 at another b & m store nearby so will ask BB to price match.
And who's CR?
Sorry. I forgot i had passed my intentions along last night. Tells you a little bit about what was going on last night.
I thought that regardless of whether the signal was interlaced or progressive, that plasmas and LCDs displayed a progressive image and that all of them included their own de-interlacing circuits to deal with interlaced signals.If that's the case, then the difference between feeding a plasma a 1080i or a 1080p signal is where the de-interlacing occurs. Are you sure the issue you're seeing isn't a result of poorer quality de-interlacing circuits in some screens than in the players attached to them?
PS: I have no real experience with plasmas but I know my LCD screen de-interlaces any interlaced signal I feed it before displaying it.
David Aiken
How close do you have to get to see the screen door effect? I can only see it if I'm 2' away or less.
On a 50", I can see it at about 8 feet.
Jack
Good "practical" analysis of your situation. Thanks for the thoughts.
I addressed many of the issues in my note below on the message board.
In general I do not believe that now is the time to spend the extra money needed to buy a 1080p set, and particularly not one for that reason if you aren't in love with the video technology being employed. You would do as well with a top quality 720p/1080i set such as the much loved (by CR, interestingly, read their recent tests) plasma units from Panasonic.Has anyone actually observed a plasma 1080p unit that is clearly sharper than a plasma 720p/1080i set on actual program material, the new DVD's included? In my mind this remains a theoretical issue unless you plan to sit 2 ft from the screen, and I wouldn't advise that anyway.
I think this is all a bunch of silliness that goes right along with $50 a ft speaker wires and $20 audio caps.
Talk to me about this again about 3 years from now when everything has settled in better and a whole bunch of technologies have disappeared.
D
There may be no TV material at 1080p, but there certainly is high definition video material at 1080p from the HD DVD and Blu-ray camps.David Aiken
when so many idiots abound that incorrectly believe the broadcast industry is still the driver behind video technology?
:-)
Sorry. I didn't think. :-(
David Aiken
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