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I've been reading in the HT rags that LCD's have come on strong lately with a lot of their short comings resolved.Maybe it's just me but a visit to my local HT electronics mega-store convinced me that Plasma is still king. The picture was better saturated, had better depth, blacker blacks, seemed more natural, etc.
LCD was better than a couple years ago but still a little bit of color shift if not viewed pretty much head-on. Colors were good but didn't have the depth or clean edges I see in Plasma. They were almost pastel, pasty, and flat compared to Plasma.
Supposedly LCD is brighter with better contrast, right? At least to my eyes, the Plasma sets had LCD's beat in this respect too. Of course, the setup was in low ambient lighting. Things might be different in a bright living room.
I compared several different sets and various brands but in general, I found Plasma to be the best in terms of over all picture quality.
Your thoughts?
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Or have they become more efficient as of late?
Try a real 9" CRT projector
Oh, you must be talking about one of those bulky old 3-eyed monsters that either sits in everyones way in the middle of the floor or requires a couple lumber jacks to lift and bolt to the ceiling joists. Not to mention the issues with critical alignment. ;-)I should have been more specific in my post as I'm mainly comparing wall mountable flat panels.
I also own a very nice 34" CRT TV that has the most incredible picture but unfortunately, I can't hang it on my wall. ;-)
G'day Abe,
Plasma is King & LCD is Queen.
With regard to what others have said below it is obvious to me the ultimate answer is in the eye of the beholder.I own Plasma screens. For my use they are the best.
The very best LCD panel I have seen is the new 1920 X 1080 Toshiba 47” model. (I have seen everything available in Australia & IMHO this is the best LCD but not as good as the best Plasmas)
In the 42” to 55” range I think Plasma is a clear winner on picture quality. Of course, I concede I have never viewed or auditioned Plasma screens in bright rooms. (It is not applicable for my situation so I have never seen the need) At night or in a darkened room a decent Plasma panel will IMHO look far better than ANY LCD panel.
Also, as you look to bigger screens the LCD’s are not only not as good but far more expensive.
I have a 55” Plasma in the main HT setup & a 42” Plasma in the main bedroom and 34” & 30” widescreen CRT’s in other parts of the house. (and a couple of 20” 4:3 CRT’s in my kids rooms.) Every room can be blackened if need be. I am ignorant of the fact apparently some folks watch TV’s in the daytime without suitable curtains to blacken the room. I am afraid I can’t see the point? I find the notion of watching a screen in a bright room akin to listening to your favourite CD with the radio blaring full bore in the back ground ( I concede it is rare for me to watch TV in the day – but my wife and kids do in darkened rooms)
Like everything in life we are all (mostly anyway) individuals and my preference for Plasma means diddley-squat to the bloke standing beside me who prefers LCD.
My best mate, who can buy any screen he wants, prefers DLP projection TV’s. Each to their own!
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Sox
A lot of us don't like to have to re-create movie theatre conditions just to watch Sports Center or an afternoon ballgame. My apartment gets pretty good light in the daytime, which is why we bought it. But the LCD I had simply disappeared during the day. With the plasma that replaced it, I can watch any time without sealing the windows with tinfoil. I can even watch with a light or two on in the room so my wife can read if she isn't interested in the program. I'm sure my room's PQ doesn't match that of a dungeon, but it is definitely much, much better with the plasma. I am impressed, however, with your TV-watching skill.
......I guess it all depends on what lifestyle you are used to.I have always used multi-layered curtains on windows. They are excellent for “blacking out “a room in a matter of seconds and have very good insulation properties along with good acoustic value. We have floor to ceiling windows all around the house and living in a warm climate dictates having decent curtains.
Taking a few moments to draw curtains so as I can thoroughly enjoy my viewing experience is something I have never found to be an overly onerous task.
I guess it all comes down to how one chooses to have their house set out. I like my luxury too much to have to worry with screen reflections.
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Sox
and every DLP. The picture may not be as sharp, but when it come to colors, CRT is still the best. I have spent four full days viewing Samsung DLPs, Sharp LCDs (I bought one!!) and Vizio, Philips LCD and plasma, and Mitsubishi DLP, my Panny beats them all hands down. Especially when flesh tones are done correctly, the other colors in the picture have the right amount of intensity. Th LCDs do one thing better, the screen does not reflect the ambient light; plasma did. So I went for a Sharp 37" LCD for the bedroom.
.........So you like “true” colour but don’t mind if the picture isn’t sharp? Each to their own I guess.I have yet to see a better picture, to my eyes at least, than on my 55” Fujitsu Plasma. (Clarification – I have seen the new 50” Pioneer 1920X 1080 plasma screen and the picture was excellent. I only had a cursory glace as I had my two kids with me BUT it maybe the new standard for 50”)
“Most” screens in shops I have seen are woefully set-up. Maybe you have never seen a properly calibrated plasma screen? I can’t fault the skin tones on mine?
I have a 34” Panasonic CRT widescreen and it has an excellent picture BUT it is not 55” big!
In the near future I plan on getting a larger plasma panel (65”) and the Panasonic commercial model 1920 X 1080 is thus far in front .
For a fraction of the cost I could buy a RPTV but I just don’t think the picture is anywhere near as good. I have NEVER had a problem with light reflections on my plasma screens – but I , or anyone in my family, watch a screen in a bright room – apparently many people do?
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Sox
I suppose some people are very critical about color accuracy. We've been living for several weeks with a Panasonic TH42PH9UK, and just a couple days ago I read that their biggest weakness is green accuracy. That was news to me, and even though I've watched a couple movies since then I neglected to pay attention to the greens. Can't be anything drastic. My eyes must adjust to this kind of stuff.Rod
.......… I suppose they are.People are just “different”. We all have different eyes, perception, colour view and tastes. It is why we have different views on what screen has the “best” picture.
The screen you have is an excellent screen & if YOU like it and reap enjoyment from it then who gives a toss what anyone else thinks?
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Sox
Nothing beats a plasma, period. Everything else is a compromise on picture quality. Those whose decor dictates that their TV viewing be done only in a bright room and can only put a TV opposite a bank of windows should get black out shades or curtains. Picture quality is worth darkening the room for, afterall, would you go to a theater and expect the lights on or the exit doors open? No. Those who do will never weep the higher enlightenment of a plasma's picture quality. To them, convience is all that matters, not ultimate picture quality. Even if you have three tall windows to the left of the plasma as I do in the family room, there's no reflections interfering with the image. Go plasma, you will never regret it. Just keep placement in mind. The superior black level of plasmas increase the contrast of the picture creating a much more realistic picture than that of any LCD with its grayish blacks, even the latest sets. I never experienced burn in and that's after hours of watching widescreen movies with black bars and playing video games, the burn in issue is NOT an issue on plasmas. However, the salesguy who makes more commission on the sale of an LCD will try to convince you burn in will kill a plasma so you better buy an LCD and help him pay his rent in the process. It'll be years before another techonolgy comes out and be cheap enough to afford, so for now, PLASMA IS KING! And a 65" Panny is INCREDIBLE! I KNOW! I HAVE ONE!
for the part about "years before another technology comes out and be cheap enough to afford". RPTVs (LCos/SXRD/D-ILA & DLP) and LCD will very soon be using LED backlighting instead of lamps and color wheels [DLP]. Their color, black level and contrast ratios will be much better. Better than Plasma(?) - that remains to be seen but if not it will be a lot closer. Toshiba/Canon is still saying that they will have their SED technology out in Japan by the 4th quarter of this year and in the U.S. by the 3rd quarter of 2008. SED displays are said to be relatively cheap to manufacture and should be in line with the current technologies pricing. SED displays should also be better than everything else.
I was having trouble deciding whether to get a plasma or LCD when I came across a joint review of a plasma and an LCD screen from the same manufacturer. The review opened with the reviewer saying that he knew what the readers wanted to know was which was best, but he was going to ask "Where will you be using it?" before responding. One of the points he made about LCDs was that the screen was much less reflective and that you could view them successfully in much higher light settings.One of the things that was plaguing me with my CRT screen was the on-screen reflections. My room is a family room with lots of window space and while I keep curtains on the window behind the screen, there's still a reasonable amount of light in the room during the day when I do a lot of my viewing. There's also a planted aquarium with a bright, metal halide lamp above it for plant growth, and it made a strong reflection.
Once I'd read that one comment I went out looking again, I compared the reflectivity of both in the shops, and I came home with an LCD. I no longer have a reflection problem and room brightness is not an issue, even in the middle of the day when the room is at it's brightest. A plasma screen simply would not work in my situation.
Yes, plasma does do a number of things affecting picture quality better than LCD but if the plasma is going to be unviewable because of reflections and the amount of brightness in the room, the LCD will win hands down on picture quality in that room.
I wouldn't consider a plasma in my current room. I would if I had a room I could dim or totally darken, but I don't have that.
David Aiken
The LCD and Plasma screens in this HT electronics store were all in a viewing room with low ambient lighting so I didn't even think to consider reflections.My setup is down in the finished basement where the lighting is usually dim to completely dark and it's used mainly for watching DVD movies and some pro sporting events like football or hockey. Our "normal" TV viewing is up in the family room with a CRT TV.
I can understand the need to minimize or eliminate reflections in a bright family room and would have to consider LCD in this situation.
there are a few MAJOR and (at least to me) important advantages to really good LCD. Screen burn is eliminated, and ambient light reflections are for the most part completely eliminated as well. The need for a darkened room is no more, and that's really cool. Of course, I have been into HDTV for a long time, and my first set (a Mitsu 55-in CRT based rear projection set) had a lovely picture but the screen reflected virtually everything. Drove me crazy. My new 55-in SONY LCoS SXRD (the A2000, an LCD variant) reflects virtually nothing. To my eyes, the pictures are pretty close between plasma and LCD - enough so that for me anyway, these other attributes win out. YMMV, however.Cheers, Joe
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