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In Reply to: Joe is correct posted by Jack G on March 12, 2007 at 05:20:58:
As you said, Blu-ray and HD DVD don't support Deep Color (or xvYCC). However, I believe that's confined to the formats as movie delivery devices. What about games (I read that some of the PS3 games may be using a greater color space right now), computer use, consumer made video, etc?Sony will be releasing 2 consumer HD camcorders capable of xvYCC very soon. Play this video back on a compatible display or record the video to DVD/Blu-ray -- with the appropriate software -- to send via an HDMI 1.3 enabled player to a compatible display and you now have a case for the wider color option.
And what about photography? The higher end digital SLR cameras encode at 12-bit. I believe FujiFilm now and a soon to be released Canon digital SLR will encode at 14-bit via RAW capture. HDMI 1.3 allows for >8-bit transmission and by sending this to a compatible display you'll get less artifacts and a greater dynamic range. This would get more use via the computer route, but since the 60GB PS3 -- which has HDMI 1.3 -- has a memory card reader on-board, some of us would like to see how our digital shots really look in 12-bit vs 8-bit when we view them on our display.
What some have suggested is that players with the capable horsepower could do a pseudo wider color conversion. Using the available color space, the additional data could be interpolated for a greater number of gradations between the colors.
I'm not saying that HDMI 1.3 needs to be the first consideration or that it's a must have for source/display purchases. However, some of the capabilities are very interesting and will indeed improve the digital experience in the near future.
Follow Ups:
heaven forbid!each time i turned on lip sync function, there is an increased in perception of "digital fatigue"
i would hate to have this function turned on automatically and cannot be defeated.
yes, sony is indeed releasing consumer HD camcorders capable of xvYCC.question is how to enjoy the benefits?
it will require hdmi 1.3
i believe both TVs and HD camcorders will be swiftly brought up to the same imaging standards. but sound is an issue. it seems the hdmi output from the HD camcorders will only pass through stereo sound even if the recording is 5.1-ch.no bd player is capable of playing back BD-R/RE.
so that leaves avchd format on dvd discs. will avchd format on dvd disc playback on BDP-S1 or PS3 allow you to enjoy benefits of xvYCC on a compatible TV?
And this helps the original poster (who does not have a PS3) how?> > > Sony will be releasing 2 consumer HD camcorders capable of xvYCC very soon. < < <
Uh-Huh. Call me when it happens.> > > I'm not saying that HDMI 1.3 needs to be the first consideration or that it's a must have for source/display purchases. However, some of the capabilities are very interesting and will indeed improve the digital experience in the near future. < < <
I suspect these improvements won't be in the *near* future, if at all, for most buyers. Right now, it can safely be ignored.
But, that's just me.Lots of promises, lots of theoretical improvements, lots of sales hype.
Time will tell.
Jack
When I can, I do my best to assist people who have A/V questions and provide useful/interesting information to those who are interested.What have I done or said to you that sparks such barbed comments when I post? If you care not to discuss it openly, you're welcome to send me an Asylum message.
As David said, I am rather skeptical of coming technologies. Lots of promises, lots of hot air. Its not against you, but the people who make the promises. I get tired of hearing about potential that just takes forever to happen. Did you know, that the first few months CDs came out, Sony et al. was talking about how we would soon have picture CDs, interactive CDs, video CDs, CDs for your computer? Yes, they did happen, but how long did some of these take to reach the consumer? 10 years? There are lots of other examples of technologies promises.
Now we are talking about HDMI, a suckass connection forced on us due to content owner's paranoia. HDMI was never about helping the consumer, it is about enabling copy protection. As you know, there have been alot of issues due to this. Now we are supposed to replace everything for the new decimal point of the month? I don't think so. What happens when 1.4 inevitably comes out?
If you want or need it, by all means go for it. That's fine for the few on the true bleading edge, but for the rest of the 99.9+% of the people, its not needed, and in many cases it causes confusion due to the sales hype-"This TV is better because it has HDMI 1.3!".
To be honest, I'm surprised you listen to the hype as much as you do.
But, that's just me.
Jack
I didn't think the 'barbs' were directed at you.I thought Jack was being cynical about the release timing/prospects for new technology which has yet to come to market. The term "vaporware" was invented for good reason. I think Jack's position is basically that it isn't worth hanging off purchasing products that cope with what is currently available in the hope that you might see products that deliver the features you mentioned in the short term. Since the original query concerned the PS3 which is currently available rather than things that may become available down the track on a very indefinite timetable, Jack's response seemed reasonable to me and didn't seem personally directed at you in any way.
I think it's hard to find a way to say "Don't hold your breath waiting" or its equivalent that isn't going to have a barb in it, even when the barb isn't directed at the person to whom the comment is directed.
There's always going to be a point where technology makes cynics of us all.
David Aiken
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