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In Reply to: Re: doesn't that strike you as particularly strange? posted by David Aiken on March 19, 2007 at 01:42:36:
<< I get the feeling that you're a fence sitter with respect to the new HD disc formats and have strong reservations about both HD-DVD and BD. That's fine but don't make the mistake of thinking that the majority of people agree with you. >>for your info, i already owned a PS3 and a couple of stand-alone players, going into a receiver fully capable of extracting the uncompressed LPCM audio. i have on hand 8 BD titles. check the archives here before falling into the wrong conclusions, will ya?
the UK public aren't the ones buying up this CR BD title. It's one of the manufacturer who is stocking up the title for their impending format avatar player/gamer launch. instead of getting the stock directly from their sister studio company, they are opting to get it from a high profile online retailer at virtually the same industry accomodation cost (prior negotiation), then posting the qty they acquired as a "retail triumph". it's disgusting, but it is not the first time something like this have happened for this company. remember the fake expert movie review fiasco 3 years ago? still, it is a marketing masterstroke, and i wish i have thought of it 3 years ago. i myself have bought and sold more than 45 thousand copies of sacd sampler for similar bundling / product intro purposes.here's some figures: we used 45 thousand copies of sacd in asia alone. japan, us and europe have bigger sales qty, so let's conservatively say they all used double the qty of sacd samplers we used. that's 45k + (90k x 3), totalling close to 300k copies. maybe 2 or more other companies had similar sales promotion. and don't forget that rolling stones magazines gave away a sacd sampler for one of their issue back in 2005. so, maybe, ultra-conservatively, 900K copies of sacd sold were samplers for sales bundling purposes. did you know how many sacds were sold up to this very date? optimistically, just under 2 million copies? that means close to half of those were purchased for sales promotion and weren't purchased voluntarily by sacd luvers. Obviously my experiences give me a different outlook on the Casino Royale sales figures to the one you have.
looks like we are witnessing the same cycle all over again....
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Well, it's a bit much to expect everyone to check the archives every time before writing a reply. Usually we all, probably including you, simply respond to posts on the basis of what's contained in them and how we read them. That's what I did here and I got something wrong.I'm sorry about the mistake but I can't be bothered querying the archives every time before I make a post. If I did I wouldn't make any posts whatsoever nor would most other people. We really don't have the time to read the current posts, then search the archives for everything a poster may have posted recently that is relevant. An inmate search indicates that you have made 1135 posts so how long would it take me to check them. An inmate search for me indicates 3058 posts but I've been posting here since just after the Asylum started up and I'd be prepared to bet that I've made more posts than that. How long did you spend searching the archives for stuff I've previously said that may be relevant to your response before you replied to me.
You've made a number of claims here and in your earlier post, and you haven't cited any evidence for them. Why should Sony buy a quantity of discs from Amazon to bundle with the PS3, especially when it happens to be a Sony disc? How plausible is that?
Conspiracy theories are all well and fine, but they really do have to be plausible. A lot of what you're saying here isn't plausible. That doesn't mean it can't be true but it does mean that your statements do require some back up evidence if you want people to take them seriously rather than simply regard them as mistaken.
David Aiken
Do you have evidence of this? I don't think Amazon is involved--certainly no signs of that from here.In the states, thousands of the initial PS3 at launch were bundled with Talledega Nights but we didn't see sales of that break the top 10 in Amazon.
Remember, Casino Royale BD hit #7 in the US, not in Europe, so I don't see how you can attribute the sales in the US to any deal in the UK. I think you need to look at the very real possibility that this is a blockbuster title on a superior format that caters to an audience making purchases online at a time when BD players are gaining increasing market penetration.
Not everyone buys their movies on Amazon. And it only makes sense that most BD adopters will buy titles online because unlike DVDs, very limited shelf space is set aside for BDs at the brick-and-mortars.
Several factors are surely at play, but without real evidence, I don't see how you can chalk up the success of CR BD to monkey business.
-------------"I have found that if you love life, life will love you back." -Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982)
> > > remember the fake expert movie review fiasco 3 years ago? < < <
I do. They got alot of flack for that.
Jack
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