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I don't know if Dish Net's digital PCM signal is standard.
Both my minidisc recorders can record the digital PCM signal. The home deck states the signal has a 48Khz sampling frequency. The portable doesn't state frequency.I have gotten weird results from CD recorders. I tried a HK CDR2. It recorded the digital signal most of the time. It's sampling frequency LED came on, which states the signal is NOT 44.1Khz. I did have a problem one time. The recorder wouldn't see the signal. I had to cycle the power on and off, then cycle through the inputs numerous times before it recognized the signal once again.
The Pioneer PDR-W739(previously bought 2 defective units from another store. I'm hoping this unit is not also defective, it being from another store.) would see the sampling frequency and state it as 44Khz. It would NOT see the actual signal. The second unit would not see the signal, although it also seen the sampling frequency.
Now my Yamaha receiver uses and states the sampling frequency as 44.1Khz.
So what I have is 2 components saying it's 44.1Khz. One component saying it's 48Khz. One component saying it's "NOT" 44.1Khz.
Out of those 4 components, 3 see and/or record it well with only one component having a problem once. The Pioneer refuses to record or see the signal any time.
I really like the features, build, and sound quality of the Pioneer 739. I didn't like the HK CDR2's sound at all, and the feature list was small. Also the build quality on the HK seemed lacking compared to the Pioneer. So as you can see, I really want the Pioneer to work with me.
If anyone knows why the Dish Net digital PCM signal will not work with the Pioneer I would appreciate it greatly.
Dish Net's tech reps. don't even know what a sampling frequency is, so they're of know help with this compatability problem. Thanks in advance.
Jim,In order to get help trouble shooting the problem,
you need to describe the signal path and cable hook ups
you are using as well as all the equipment.I have a friend who owns a Yamaha DSP A1 and a Pioneer Elite
CDRW and he could not record a digital signal when it was
routed through the Yamaha. After speaking with a Yamaha tech
via e-mail, he found that this was a Yamaha prevented passing
of a digital signal in order to honor copyright laws. He also
offered a free upgrade chip which would then allow the signal
to be passed.I'm not sure if he had the upgrade done or if he has just routed
the digital out signal from he CD player directly to his recorder
or if he is using the analog outputs. In any case, he is now
making his own CDR's.Give us the whole scope, maybe we can help.
Regards,
Joe T.
I've never experienced that problem before. I did try a direct connection from the Dish Net receiver's optical digital output to the Pioneer 739's optical digital input, bypassing the Yamaha receiver. The results were the same. It recognized the sampling frequency as 44Khz, but would NOT recognize the actual signal.Thanks for your response. I was going to keep the HK CDR2, as a HK rep. told me a work around for monitoring while dubbing.
After trying that setup(hooking up CDP deck outputs "instead" of CD-R deck outputs), I realized now I can't monitor any sources while recording from an 'external' source. I have my minidisc player/recorder plugged directly into the HK CDR2's coaxial digital input, bypassing the receiver. The biggest problem is the dual mode function. I'm finding that whenever the record button is pushed, it puts the deck into dual mode. The dual mode forces the CDP decks output to only pass a signal directly from the CDP deck. That also forces the CD-R decks ouput to only pass a signal from the CD-R deck. So in simplified terms, any time the record function is done, the deck act as two 'separate' players. 2 ways around this would had made it a good operating deck. Either stop forcing the dual mode, and make it selectable while recording, or allow signal monitoring through the CD-R deck's outputs, while dubbing off of the internal CDP deck. Philips recorder can do this simple task, why can't the $200 more HK do it.
To finally end this rewardless adventure, the HK now makes a very loud, speaker damaging howling sound through it's analog outputs whenever the power is turned off by the front panel switch. This is it. I'm finally, completely done with these CD-R components. Maybe I'll try in a few years when hopefully all the reliability and design problems have been ironed out.
Back to minidisc!
Jim,I never actually tried to record any of the music from
the sat. dish. My sat. service is DirectTv, and I receive
some 30 + music channels. I'll have to give it a try.
I need to first relocate my dish to the other side of the
house. I had an addition put on my new home which is a
dedicated HT/Music room. I don't have my sat dish hooked up
there yet. If you like, we can continue this via e-mail
after I get set up and re-wired again.
Regards,Joe T.
I find it amazing the number of defective units you're going
through....Have you tried using the analog outputs of the Dish receiver
into the Minidisk? I know this isn't the ideal solution,
but it's a valid test to see what's breaking where.What about an external DAC to see if you can lock onto the
signal from the Dish device? I'd guess the output to be
44.1KHz, with Dish it's all about the bandwidth and 44.1KHz
takes up less bandwidth than 48 KHz.
I'm thinking the first 2 739s were defective due to handling abuse. They were from the same store, and both were defective.The 3rd seems to be operating correctly, but without recognizing the optical signal from my Dish Net. receiver.
All of my other components "DO" see the digital optical signal and/or record it. My 2 minidisc recorders, record it without problem. The HK CDR2 recorded the optical signal. My Yamaha receiver even uses it's DAC for the optical signal. So the only component the digital optical signal will not work with is those 739s.
I did talk to a HK rep. To do monitoring while dubbing, he said to use the CDP outputs and the CD-R inputs. To disregard the CD-R outputs if I intend to only use it as a single component.
O.K., since HK is aware of the situation, and even said it was designed like that and does offer a work around, I'll consider their recorder. I just don't think it's very good sounding. I've done more listening tests on the Pioneer and it's somewhat more forward and less smooth than my Yamaha Changer and Pioneer DVD player. The HK wasn't harsh, just not as detailed as the Yamaha. I think I prefer the Pioneer's sound over the HK's, but none compete with my comparably inexpensive Yamaha changer or Pioneer DVD player.
I'm now considering keeping the HK, but I really want the Pioneer, and for it to record "everything".
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