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In Reply to: My impression of 2109 as a transport versus JVC1050 posted by RT on May 14, 1999 at 11:10:34:
There was a review a couple of months ago in HiFi News & Record Reviews (a British mag) that showed with listening tests and measurements that the current crop of DVD players provide marginal playback for music. I don't know where the notion came from that DVD has superior musical playback.
I wonder how well their test was controlled, and what kind of statistical significant data they came up with? I suspect their test as being poor. They are not known for good DBTs.
The data came from measurements of the players themselves. Comments on musical quality came from the measurements & listening tests. I believe the listening session were blind, but since I read the article several months ago & generally do not attempt to memorize such things, I can't be sure. Please read the review for yourself.
Is there a web page for that review? I don't have access to back issues, only current ones in the bookstore.
I think, if I remember correctly, they don't do a same/difference test but a preference and may just rate it in a group. That is not meaningful.
No webpage to my knowledge.
Probably by those who feel that CD players are old technology whereas DVD players are new technology. The new technology has to sound better. Also, keep in mind that some magazines, like The Sensible Sound, have not helped matters by stating that they found no sound difference between cheap CD players and expensive ones. Add to that, that some people are using the number of bits (24-bit DACs in DVD players vs 20-bit DACs in CD players) as a way to justify why DVD players should sound better than dedicated CD players.
> > > Also, keep in mind that some magazines, like The Sensible Sound, have
not helped matters by stating that they found no sound difference
between cheap CD players and expensive ones. < < <What have they done? Compared them in a DBT as it should be and the only way to eliminate your biases. Is that frightening to some? No, they did everything right and the Brit magazine messed up their tests. It could be a preference test as that is what they are well known for.
The Sensible Sound proclaims that there are no audible differences between inexpensive and expensive CD players. And in that same issue go on to actually review CD players, in different price ranges, stating their preference based partly on what they sound like. Gee, they sure earned their credibility in that issue.And how the hell would you know if these tests were run properly? You only seem to think the test was done properly if the outcome agrees with your beliefs. Now who is being biased here? Let's see, you buy bought your CD player because ABX testing told you that you can't hear any difference between different players. Did you even bother to verify that? No! Again, insecurity keeps you from challenging your own beliefs. You seem to think that your bias is correct and anybody who disagrees with that is wrong.
Good luck and keep reading those ABX test results.
I was suckered into a perscription with the back-issue offer and actually took the time to read most of the print back into their past. I got a new issue in the mail the other day and put it directly into the recycle bin without even opening it. I wouldn't even use that rag to mulch under my spruce trees. They might all start growing the same.Hey, here's a thought. Let's assume that all audio gear sounds alike. I'd still rather read good writing about it. Inaccurate untruths written with wit, style and humor are much more palitable. Give me good writers, I'll decide for myself where my truth is.
And how will you sort out the truth? You already threw out one sopurce and rejected it. Besides, you didn't read that ALL components sound the same, that is just your imagination doing tricks on you.
What page exately is that preferenced based article on CD players in the same issue? I don't seem to find it. Perhaps you are mistaken or didn't comprehend.
I am sure you are right, they don't know how to conduct a DBT. Do you? Have you found a difference? Perhaps your test is flawed beyond recognition.
Oh yes, I don't verify every test as they do seem credible; I only question the questionable ones. Do you veryfy every DBT or sighted test with your DBT?
On the otherhand, since you have such a hard time accepting this or any other DBT, where are your test results? Protocols?
What CDPs did they compare the DVD players to?I think a lot of the DVD as a transport hype might be reasonable as compared to low cost CDPs. It seems I recall the Doug Blackburn thinks his 3109 tweaked out is fairly decent as a transport, but then that's not a stock player.
Rod M, I read the review a while back, so I am not 100% certain about which cd players they referred other than to say they were in the $300 USD range. The reviewers go on to say that none of the DVD manufactors were claiming superior sound to cd only players. I am only reporting what I read. If others want to comment on this, I would suggest you read the article first.
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