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I have been tossing this question around for sometime with no definate answers. I have been told the audio refinement Pre 5 will offer a good mix for HT and 2 channel. I have also read about intergrating a technics sh-ac500d into a two channel system?
Any thoughts on this subject in general, on how to intergrate HT and 2 channel?Thanks
Scott.
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Well one way to implement a HT preamp and a 2 channel preamp without worrring about the 2 channel preamps volume control effecting the home theater side of things involves a pretty unique feature found of the Sony TA-N9000es amp. It contains a EXTRA 2 channel input so you can switch sources from the amp. Just switch to Extra 2 channel on the amp for 2 channel preamp sources and for Home theater switch the amp back to regular inputs. It's a different way to accomplish this.
I think the key to getting better 2 Channel is NOT running the 2 channel stereo source through the HT processor. By this I mean the 2 channel source device (CD, TT, whatever) is hooked to a dedicated stereo pre-amp. The HT processor's L&R analog outputs simply become a selectable input source on the stereo pre-amp.Yes, this means the stereo pre-amp is always on for both HT and 2 channel listening, but for 2 channel only the HT processor can be powered down.
In my case, I need to change the volume control position on the stereo pre-amp when switching inputs between HT and 2 channel. The stereo pre-amp's volume is typically 9-10am for 2 channel. For HT I have calibrated to a 12 o'clock volume postion on the stereo pre-amp.
Just some of my experiences over the last 5 years.
bstan
I'm running the pre-outs from my Yamaha to my Integra Pre-amp into the video inputs. For 2 channel mode I'm running a straight cd-pre-amp to speakers! MUCH better! For H/T I switch my preamp to video and run the volume to 12 O Clock and use the Yamaha as a H/T receiver to drive the center and rears plus sub while my Integra amp does the front 2 speakers. With the help of the inmates here(Thanks) as to how to wire it I have the best of both worlds CONSIDERING my money and room constraints, ie, can't do 2 seperate rooms. You might be surprised at the improvement, I was, is Yamaha that bad for 2 channel?
Jim P.
your already processed HT signal is again being processed by the 2 channel preamps volume control? To me that seems to step on the HT side of things.Few 2 channel preamps really work with Home theater without the 2 channel preamp processing the HT signal. The only one I could come up with was Adcom's GFP-750 which has a TRUE HT processer loop with unity gain. This means the GFP-750 ($1399 yikes)does NOTHING with the HT signal, just passes it thru. Thats the pure way of doing both but it is very expensive. Any other 2 channel preamps work like the GFP-750?
Hi,,,You might want to take a look at the MD-10, at www.magnumdynalab.com ... There is a review of it on www.soundstage.com , in the Home Theater Sound section.
It looks interesting to me, it's all done in the digital domain.
Richard :)
I mainly listen to two channel audio on a Aragon Soundstage. I had been looking for a DD/DPL and DTS system that would accommodate two channel material in one box. Although expensive there is a complete analog preamplifier within the unit completely separate from the DSPs. It also has a analog 6 channel input, with volume. The subwoofer will also, optionally, function in two channel mode. I'm told the unit is upgradable to future formats. I'm extremely satisfied with it's sound.On the less expensive side I've heard the Sherwood-Newcastle pre-pro is a excellent performer but I've only seen it, but have not heard it in a critical situation.
My preference is to integrate with a cheap AV preamp, Sony or the Sherwood or whatever, I'm using a Marantz. The 2 channel is completely separate and just connects to the AV system via the tape in.I run a 3 channel amp for HT and again, totally separate 2 channel amp. IMO, that's the best way to get the best of both worlds and you can tell that I don't think it takes a bunch for the HT side. Most of the cheap units do pretty well.
I own a Technics SH500D and can tell you that if you set it to small front channels, then try to play 2 channel through it (the "pass through" mode), bass below 80 or 100 Hz will be filtered out (on the front channels/2 channel stereo). This setup is used when an HT system is set up with the low frequencies going only to the subwoofer output (when decoding a digital signal such as DTS or Dolby Digital). If you want full-range 2 channel stereo in "pass through" mode, you have to set up your "front" speakers as large in the speaker configuration mode.
It is very hard to make them satisfactorily co-exist without spending loads of $$$$!!!! You may want to check out the Arcam DAVE, or read my review here of the AVR-100 receiver.HTH,
B
.... hi end audio for music and hi end video IS very expensive. However, it pays heaps of dividends in added pleasure to home entertainment. I'm an opera buff and have invested a lot in operatic LDs and have a few DVDs as well as other performances, orchestral, ballet, choral etc. Yes, and I have also succumbed to movies.All of this viewed/listened to through a hi end system can be hair raising via good software. So I advocate putting all resources into the one combined system. To have top audio in one room and so-so audio in another HT room is a waste of resources & effort IMO.
However I concede that domestic problems such as lack of partner's enthusiasm for audio, speakers etc can make life difficult for an audioholic and different rooms might be a necessity for that music fix.
To each his (or her) own. Just as well we all have different tastes and needs. Otherwise the world would be a very boring place.
John
First up I tried a Technics SH-AC500D and hated it. I understand the Sony units are better but be careful about the lower end processors as they are pretty basic and some are not suitable for good audio.That aside, it depends on whether or not you already have a 2 channel preamp and intend to patch in a pre-processor or whether you intend using a pre-processor only.
Some pre-processors have "direct" facilities meaning the signal goes through unprocessed BUT if they also control volume the odds are that is in the digital domain meaning the analog input is digitalised and then converted back again, undesirable in a low end processor. This is not "processing" in one sense but is undesirable.
It is not difficult to construct a two way switch so output going to the two main channels can be switched either from the analog out of a preamp or of a processor.
The answer to your question depends on what you already have.
John
I doubt that world exists. A few months back i auditioned the Krell HTS system with 2 channel in mind and it really did'nt sound that good.I eventually settled for 2 seperate units : Denon avr3801 (has direct capability with 24/96 dacs) and the font channel preouts are connected to my LINN preamp aux inputs. This way i get to listen to my ttable and cd player and then i also have the dvd / 24/96 hookup going thru my AV and into my Linn.
Thanks for the response. I have an old Kenwood pre-amp, and a parasound 855 5x85. So I am at a place where just about anything goes. So far the Audio Refinement pre 5 (made by YBA) seems to be the best choice and its only $850, but I like a little tone control which it lacks. I have even considered getting a Foreplay preamp learning from it then expanding it to handle 5 channel from the DVD, I figure if I can build it then I can modify it.Thanks
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