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This DVD is reviewed by Ken Kessler in the latest issue of Ultimate Audio.KK wrote "..the sound of this is almost too good to be true."
I'd like to know what KK has been smoking in his pipe ?
Basic sound quality is indeed pretty good but in the end it's just another badly mixed 5.1 channel music video with sundry backing singers and instruments popping up in positions all over the place.
What's the general opinion of Inmates on live music videos ?
Should the sound, especially imaging, correspond with what's
happening on screen ?Or should producers be given a free hand to place sound wherever they see fit, no matter how gimmicky the end result ?
Bear in mind I'm only asking about those videos that purport to chronicle a live event.
I for one, was disappointed at the hodgepodge sound mix of one of 2000's best albums. And even more disappointed that Becker and Fagan signed off on this sonic mess.
cheerz
michael w
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I agree, the surround placement does not match the video. I like to listen 2 channel with a moderate amount of DSP fill in the rear. You may criticize the sound quality, but this is one of the better music DVD's I have heard. Sure does sound a million times better than the Two Against Nature CD ! The bass and overall impact on Babylon Sisters and Jack of Speed is IMHO, excellent (I use 2 Hsu TN1220HO on the low end crossed over at 40 hz ... they pump some very tight low end. Overall, though, there is a lack of emotional "lock" due to the processed feel of this DVD. Could have been "so outrageous", but I still enjoy it.
Comically, but very true, one the the overall best is Tommy James Live at the Bitter End. The audio quality, impact, and ambiance is excellent. TJ is very good, but his backup band is a bit animated. In particular, they got the surround mix right for that club. Even though the video production is home video like (the actual quality of the video is not bad), I really got into this DVD. Adds a "you are there" feeling to this unique performance. Give it a shot... if you are over 35 and know who Tommy James is, this may surprise you.
Michael,I had the same impression on the disc as you did. It was odd hearing back up singers coming from rear surrounds.
After trying numerous music 5.1 DVDs on my system, I found turning off everything but the front main work the best or sound natural to my ears.I have heard the good multichannel DVD-A demo, and the music discs do not have to sound like that.
In this case, the use of rear surrounds was very subtle, yet, enhanced the atmosphere greatly.
I DO NOT like the idea of backup singers in my right ear behind me. I think that's someone trying to be fancy just because they can. It's kind of silly.The sound should be like I'm sitting in the same seat through the entire show. If they zoom in on the drummer, I don't want to feel like I walked over to talk to him. In that respect, I guess they could have done it worse than they did.
The sound quality did not disappoint me. I thought the 2 channel wasn't as dynamic, and preferred the surround mix, BUT only if I was sitting in the sweet spot. Also, I always reprogram the decoder to NO SUBWOOFER when watching this stuff so it's more natural sounding. I wish they would do these as 5.0 instead of 5.1, like Dave Grusin did on his West Side Story DVD.
-- Greg
PS - What's up with the interviews breaking up the songs? First time is OK, but geez, who the hell wants to sit there with the remote and keep clicking NEXT after each interview clip.
I agree about the interviews in between every song. They could have very easily had this as an extra feature so the show could play straight through. Very irritating.
With DVD, they could even have offered a choice. I watched the X-men for the second time with cut scenes slotted in at the correct spot in the movie.I was rather disapointed with the music on Two Against Nature (CD). It all sounds kind of samey, no real variation in tempo or beat. I don't dislike it, but I was expecting greatness from a Steely Dan reunion. Maybe watching the DVD would help. But backup singers behind me is my idea of butchered recording.
Dan Bonhomme
And more shots of the bare midriff section :-)I mean, come on, did we really need to see how well DF has mastered the Dirty old man look?
Tight group though, I'll give them that. Spot on performance, like the mix or not, it was together.
Regards,
I am 100% with you on this one. I thought I was the only one who didn't like this mix. I also didn't think it was the greatest fidelity either. Hard to believe the studio perfectionists ok'ed this alright.
Remember the early days of stereo recordings? Everything was placed hard right or hard left, with no center, so the listener could never mistake this for a "mono" recording. These exaggerated recordings now sound ridiculous.I think the current crop of 5 channel recordings is similar. The engineers have exaggerated the 5 channel effect by moving instruments all around, rather than using it to obtain more realistic hall sound and ambience. I think we have to work through this excessive phase before things improve. In the interim, it can be painful to listen to these recordings.
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