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I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TV BETTER THAN A LOEWE
HAVE YOU?
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MY LOEWE IS THE ARCADA MODEL (480P ONLY)
my dvd soure is a HTPC with ati raedon video card (64 meg ram)
intel celeron 450 mhz. 256 ram into tv's VGA 15 pin input...
THE PICTURE OFF DVD IS AS CLEAR AS A 1080i high def broadcast!
razer sharp with thick rich true colors, 3/2 pull down,great audio,
i have never seen a better picture except for a sampo/sony/panasonic
in true 1080i high def mode! but i am only running dvds!
i have looked at sony wega/ panasonic 16 x 9/ sampo/ proton/ etc..
the LOEWE was much better! i think that loewe, princeton, and
runco are the cream of the crop unless there is some special
high monitor for the pros that i dont know about!
I beg to differ! DVD should outperform a broadcast signal. If its analogue broadcast signal, quality will be lower anyhow, and digital sat and cable signals don't stand up either. The fact you are on NTSC, the signal is visibly inferior to Pal standard even direct from the Digibeta master.A good DVD transfer is almost "broadcast" in terms of quality and usually quite difficult to distinguish from the source master, (obviously depending on nature of footage and the data rate that the authoring was done at).
The Loewe sets are good, but I've never seen any of their equipement making it into tv studios, if it was as good as the competition I would at expect to see some people in the broadcast field using it, I don't know one. Most of the people I work with in the television field use sony sets at home, would guess that they know what they are doing.
Roland
Go look at the Bang & Olufsen Avant, I like Loewe, but they have been trying to copy B&O for years. Trust me NOTHING looks like the avant, the images look real, like live video, it's hard to get used to!
I cannot argue with your professional experience in this area, but I can tell you from mine that HDTV (1080i broadcasts) via OTA or via satellite (all digital channels) FAR surpassed the appearance of DVD transfers.
1080i content has six times the available resolution of a 480 source DVD.
Near field detail is almost comparable (though HD lets you see peoples pores it is so sharp), but scenery, etc. are mUCH sharper in the distance with the higher resoution of HD.
I only have an XGA projection system so I can only use a fraction of the HD potential, but it is still superior to DVD playback, regardless of external processing used.dg
Agreed. But I was discussing the output on a 480 line set, and although HDTV will undoubtably be much better in the long run, its not likely to hit the mainstream channels much for a while due to the way it eats up bandwidth, and the increased cost of production. Most of the time we watch tv because its something that we want to see, not because the quality is necessarily higher. My point was that DVD against standard broadcast, or even HDTV broadcast on a 480 line set should yeild better results from the DVD, (providing that it was decently authored). This all in the context of the fact I still reckon that the Sony I have is a better picture than the Loewe Anaconda..........but who cares anyhow.........Roland
hahaha! What's so great about a studio using a Sony? They probably buy units that allow an acceptable image at the lowest cost.
I would have to agree. I have seen Loewe (in 480p, mind you) running side by side with a Sony WEGA in it's highest digital format (720i? or 1080i, not sure which) and the Loewe absolutely blew it away in picture quality. The simple fact is, most broadcasting folks, and well, majority of the people in the US will not spend $3000+ on a 30" digital set, regardless of the quality. And as far as the 480P vs 1080i goes in that scenario, the simple fact is on a 30" 16x9 (I have the Planus 16x9 model) that 1080i is simply too high of a resolution for the size of the screen to look "correct".
Why do people on this forum have to talk crap! In broadcast circles they drop 10's of thousands on peripherals and monitors. Proffesional broadcast video machines cost around £40,000, cameras well over £30,000. Video editing suites in a serious post production house can easily exceed £500,000, get real!!! When amateurs talk about the cost of their hi-fi and their television set ups the costs are quite small. A 14" broadcast monitor can easily cost over £1,500 + vat. In broadcasting signals, very often the quality loss in transmission is significant when compared to the original signal. As I said before the Loewe is a good domestic set, I'm not disputing that, and compared to the Sony Wega (which is nearly half the price) it probably looks very good. I suggested to the original poster that he check out the top end Sony 36" set, which is a very different beast. Manufacturers like Loewe because they are significantly smaller than the big boys ie Sony, Thompson, Panasonic ect, usually have to buy their tubes from other sources, I'm only guessing, but I would suspect Thompson. Sony always had an advantage over the past 20 years or so because of their Trinitron tube patented technology. Since the patent expired one or two other manufacturers have produced designs along simular principles. This is catch up. This is the same reason that Phillips (or Marantz) have continued to be one of the market leaders in CD technology, same principle, in that they have a head start. Look at products in any market, very often the market leaders are the companies that started the products. One of the posters above supplied a link to a review of the set I mentioned. They said in that review that it represented the ultimate in domestic television pictures at the present time. heck buy the Loewe or whatever you want its your choice, I still stand by my comment that as good as the Loewe is its overpriced, and you are paying for the "designer look".Roland
Sorry for not making myself clear, but you were saying broadcasters use Sony in their home. Here in the United States, the WEGA series is about the highest line that Sony offers, and I am referring to residential viewing, not professional editing monitors. There is a signifigant difference (I do use a Sony Trinitron monitor, but for extremely high resolution graphics. I would never want to watch DVDs or Television broadcasts on it). There is obviously a signifigant difference between home viewing of NTSC images and high resolution graphics. It being two different worlds. I know a lot of people who own the high end Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, etc televisions which are sold in the United States market, and though quite satisfied with the image quality, they are usually blown away by the picture quality of my Loewe. I guess it's a matter of taste though.
You're probably right about professional equipment. I myself have never been in a TV studio. I have compared the picture difference between a Sony wega xbr and the Loewe planus using my Canon GL-1 (Perhaps aka XM-1 in UK), using the same S-video cable, and was actually surprised by the image quality difference. As far as the Aconda goes, I haven't done comparisons between that and the xbr, but I would bet that there's a similar difference. Anyway, I'm sure not going to put your professional experiences into question. Nor the quality of the equipment you guys use. Also, a pro can use his experience to point certain aspects of a picture and deem them correct or more true when doing comparisons, but I know that the planus looks more natural than the xbr. I would love to see your TV so I could expand my horizons, that's what makes being a home theater buff fun. EG: I saw a Seleco projector hooked to a Faroujda line doubler and was amazed by the image quality on a 100" screen. Of course, it cost $26k altogether.
I'm suprised that this set isn't available in the US as its a multistandard. Would strongly advise using RGB input or component if available, this makes a huge difference to picture quality, gets rid of the "shimmering" that is so much of problem with analogue systems. In reply to the previous poster to you, just to clarify, when I was talking about the price of a monitor, it was a broadcast monitor, not a computer based one.Roland
Better watch than Rolex? Yes, no, maybe... sometimes...What is "better"?
How many folks do you think have been able to compare several *properly* calibrated sets on the same material?
Naive questions like that are not even academic. Any of the current generation of good brand direct views is in the ballpark of what you need, but add to this the uncertainty of your source, calibration, etc. and it is a wash.
I recall someone asking for the BEST tires the store had. Of course that depends on the car that the person was driving, the best tire for a Cadillac would be different than an all out sports car. At the same time, what I have noticed is that the Toshiba TVs seem to be easier to setup than other brands.
virtually any good set with a larger picture is better.
I hear Princeton Graphics makes some nice ones! I think Mitsubishi makes some nice rear projection ones though...I have a Planus, but now I want the Aconda!!!
Seen the Aconda, and its a good set, but still think my Sony is head and shoulders above it.
(nt), and I've owned Sony Wegas, which aren't as true and natural an image as a Loewe.
My Sony is not a Wega, it cost aprrox double that of a standard Wega set. I run a business authoring DVD using a Spruce system. On many occasions I use a lot of broadcast equipement eg DigiBeta and Betacam videorecorders and camera's, and throughout the industry Sony are probably the camera of choice for most users, and having used others myself I personally can understand why. Sony invented the trinitron tube, and are at the forefront of most television technology. I believe they also were the first to develope the flat tube. Loewe although a good company have nowhere near the resources of a company like Sony, I would take a bet that Sony's research budget probably exceeds Loewes annual turnover. I come from England and I know that within the trade Loewe is considered alongside of Finlux and B&O, more a style product. If its out and out picture quality the Sony has it, Panasonic is very close, most of the others then are close behind Phillips, Mitsibushi, Toshiba, JVC ect. Ok I know this is a personnal view, but its always the Sony stand at the trade shows that is putting out the best picture quality.Roland
There is such thing as company picture flavor, don't underestimate that. Just look at the color charts (have you seen them?) - greens are all different, reds all different, blues... each company uses different phosphors, with the result being that the same signal is going to produce different tones on different company's sets. What's included in the color triangle is different for each company.Which one is going to be to you taste? Only YOU can answer that.
Add to this different shadow mask designs, etc. and you have distinct house flavors.
You can spend the rest of your life sampling those flavors and trying to decide which one is for you.
Ok I take your point on that, and its very true that set-up plays a big part in the look of a tv. Talk to video professionals and get their opinion on camera's and monitors. Most of what we see on tv is shot on Sony kit and monitored on their kit. Look at tv news cameramen, what cameras are they using? R&D in television is now a major expense as systems get more complicated, Sony do have huge resources, and they use them. The Loewe set is good, but like B&O overpriced due probably to their market share. As much as some things are subjective, you can get into Emperors new clothes syndrome all too easily in tv and audio. I've seen plenty of very poor pictures in peoples homes where they have really not done any comparisons, but believe what they are getting is marvelous because the salesman told them so. I work with television and audio for a living, so my interest is getting the best possible sound/picture for my client. Its in my interest to deliver because my income depends on it. I have a very well set up Sony 36FS70 that I use to demonstrate to customers and it knocks them sideways. As always this is a personal view, but I seriously recommend anyone in the market for a set of this size and price to check it out, I did.
at least where Wegas are concerned. I don't even know if the 36FS70 is offered here in the US, I looked on Sony's website here and didn't find it. Compared to Wegas, the Loewe simply blows away the Sony. Perhaps more set-up is needed, but the Loewe is not gross incomparable due to a lower budget on R&D. I don't think Sonys are by far and away the main brand used here in the US either. Don't forget Panasonic, etc. To each their own though...
...AFAIK unavailable outside Europe.Has features peculiar to Euro sets like built-in Dolby decoding and SCART connections.
Review here...
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Televisions/Sony/SonyKV-36FS70.shtml
cheers
michael w
Best picture I've seen too date!
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