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Any opinions on these two tv's squaring off against each other?
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Which is more important size or picture quality. I recently bought a KV-36XBR450, because of the picture. There is no projection picture as good period. It has the best picture I have every seen.But picture size is important. If your room is large, get the bigger screen. If it is smaller, get the 36XBR450.
My only regret is that I did not wait for the Sony 40-inch 700. For a little more than $3000 you could buy the 40-inch MONSTER and have the best of both.
Botton line. Both are excellent TV's.
How is the KP53S30 on (cringe) sources like cable, VHS etc.?I am also looking at these two sets, among others. We are contemplating a new, HDTV capable TV, but it must also serve as our primary viewing for all source material i.e. DVD, broadcast, VHS tapes, you name it. I know the picture will be grand on DVDs and digital sources and I agree bigger is better but... How noisy is the picture on less than stellar material, like my many BBC VHS dramas that haven't come out on DVD yet and my regular cable/sat. programming?
We also saw the 16/9 34" widescreen Sony recently and were very impressed with picture quality.
Further comments greatly appreciated.
Since the HS30s have line quadruplers, those VHS tapes will look pretty good. The 240i VHS signals will be upconverted to 1080i. Cable should be the same way. Of course, the set will only display what you give it, so crap in, crap out. However to minimize noise and artifacting from bad signals, you should set brightness and contrast to below 50%, and set sharpness to below 25%. Use the Pro mode or set UVML/SVM/VSM (whatever its called for artifical edge enhancement) to low or off. Most of the time if you see a bad picture on the showroom floor, it's because the sets are fed bad signals and are set in torchmode (Vivid) with sharpness all the way up, which takes what noise there is already in the signal, and amplifies the heck out of it. Remember, the same guns fed a clean hd signal, reproduces a clear stellar HDTV image. It's like taking a 8-track tape and playing it back through a pair of Martin Logans speakers - for which it will reproduce and reveal every detail, or play it back through your computer speakers, which will mask it all. I for one, if only had only one choice, would prefer the Martin Logans, except I would electronically filter out the noise before sending it to the speakers.
If the picture is really bad, I believe there are processing options in the menu for noise reduction and Dynamic Picture (makes black blacker and brights brighter). However I never use those features. My picture looks pretty good already on those sources.Steve
OK, As a primary tv, I really just can't decide on which one to buy. I sit at 10' from the TV.
Go for the 53 or 60 if you can fit it!dg
I strongly recommend the HS30. Bigger is better and with proper tweaking as given by members in the Yahoo! groups on these sets, the picture quality will outsurpass the 36XBR450. Forget what people tell you that projection is poor in comparison to direct view. The have obviously never seen a properly calibrated HDTV projection set. I had the 61HS10 since March and if you saw my set, you would think it was a direct view tube - none of that washed out low contrast look.
Off the showroom floor or out of the box, the set may look crappy, but you need to do the proper brightness and contrast adjustments, and then you can go into the service menu and tweak away- with guidance from the group of course. The changes you can make will be night and day. When you are done, if you were to look at a direct view set such as the 36XBR450, you would notice the decrease in resolution because of the nature of such a small tube, not to mention, the small size of the screen. And, if you didn't know, the projection electronics and lenses inside the HS30s are identical to the 57" XBR and 65" XBR projection sets. You will not be disappointed. In fact if you do sit about 10' away from the set, I strongly recommend the 61HS30.Steve
I have a KP61HS10 (last year's model) and I really like it. With proper tweaking it can really approach the quality of a direct view, and bigger is better! Especially with DVDs and HDTV. I sit about 10' from my set, and it's great!I've heard about geometry problems with the larger Sony direct views, and I'm not sure how easy it is to correct.
There's pretty decent Sony TV forum at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sonyhs10
It sounds like you are comparing apples and oranges. One is a direct-view set and the other is a RP set. I think the decision may come down to whether you want size or picture quality.In my opinion, the direct-view set will give you superior picture when calibrated properly (factory settings on Sony tubes are way too bright). This will be an advantage if your viewing distance is short. If you are in a larger room and the viewing distance is greater, then the RP set may be more suitable.
One study I read suggested that vertical size of the screen be about 1/3 to 1/2 the viewing distance. That may seem a bit too close, but the new DTVs have such a dramatically improved picture quality that it really does work. I often enjoy watching my (relatively) diminutive 30" widescreen direct-view set from about 4 to 5 feet away.
I am having a problem understanding your "1/2 to 1/3 viewing distance"
The best formula for viewing distance for a high scan and hd projection sets are 2x the diagonal dimension. This is because the internal line doublers/quadruplers create finer scanlines on ntsc signals, and virtually nonexistent scanlines on hd broadcasts.i.e. 61" set, ideal distance is 61"x2=122" or about 10 feet. From
my personal experience, minimum is 9' to about 11' max
53" set, 53x2=106" or about 8.8 feet +/- 1'
The idea is that the DTV resolution is good enough to give you relative screen size perspective comparable to movie theatre screens. For example, on a (small) 30" widescreen set, the actual dimensions of the screen are about 26" x 15". Multiplying the vertical dimensions by factor of 3, you get 45" or about 4 feet. So, the optimum viewing distance for a 30" widescreen is about 4 feet. Now, that seemed too closely to me at first, but after trying it out myself, I became convinced that it actually works. So, for a person viewing the TV from 10' away, the larger RPT unit is probably a better choice.
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