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In Reply to: 2 channel home theatre posted by robo on December 24, 2001 at 14:15:48:
There are two kinds of DVD customers.Those who want to go with a full-blown 5.1 or DTS surround sound, and all the speakers, and those who just want to hook up their DVD players to their stereo TV sets or stereo receivers. My parents, for example, could care less about Digital Surround sound. BUT, they did want to buy a DVD player so they could realize better video quality, and improved menu functions and 'extra bonus features' that DVD offers. Plus, take into consideration all those PC's with DVD drives, all those portable 2 speaker DVD players, etc. etc., and you can see why DVD's played via 2 channels is a popular option. Truth be told, if a DVD has the 'setup' option of choosing Dolby Digital 2.0 (for 2 speakers), this is quite enough for many individuals. I, for one, play my DVD's through 2 massive Martin Logan speakers and a 2-channel amp, and when the DVD offers the 'Dolby 2.0' 2 channel selection option, I am in HEAVEN with the quality of sound I can obtain! And yes, it DOES fill my room! So, you see, not everyone is into surround sound and all those fugly speakers everywhere!!!
It's about time ALL the movie studios start including 'Dolby 2.0' as a choice in their 'audio setup' menu option!!!
Hasta la vista.
Follow Ups:
Billiam understand what I'm talking about. GREAT 2 channel does satify the directors vision.....those martin logans will do it, too.
Billiam not only doesn't understand , but incorrectly states what is necessary to enjoy stereo output from a DVD system.I don't begrudge people who want to use stereo to listen to DVD, let's just get the facts correct;
1) Stereo isn't what the director intended on most DVDs, and doesn't re-create the 3D soundscape originally created by the director.
2) You don't need Dolby 2.0 to enjoy a DD 5.1 DVD in stereo.
bstan
You have obviously never heard a well set up, high end two channel system. One of the things which separates high end in two channel is the ability of the system to recreate a holographic sound stage. The instruments are in the room, in their own three dimensional space (both in front of and behind the plane of the speakers).That being said, I have never been able to recreate this type of sound stage when a TV is in the middle of the speakers, but have been able to do this with a front projector system.
gjg
gjg,Your quote referring to my experiences:
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"You have obviously never heard a well set up, high end two channel system."
-------------------------------------------------------------Guess I'll have to dispute that unfounded claim, as I get an absolutely phenomenal two channel holographic sound stage with my equipment. Of course this ultimately depends on how well the 2-channel recording was mastered.
Your quote describing two channel holographic sound stage:
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"The instruments are in the room, in their own three dimensional space (both in front of and behind the plane of the speakers)."
--------------------------------------------------------------------You are correct and I agree. I can hear a female vocalist 6 feet in front of me wetting her lips (1 foot out in front of my main's speaker plane), her voice originating from a mic 5 feet high, with various instruments supporting her up to 12 feet or more directly behind her as well as to the left and right.
So as you can tell, I have experienced as you said, "a well set up, high end two channel system."
To re-interate what I did say, you cannot CORRECTLY experience the 3D holographic soundstage created by the director on a 5.1 DD/DTS DVD media with a two-channel playback system.I never said the two-channel playback system didn't produce good, even holographic type sound, simply that it did NOT recreate the director's intented 3D soundscape.
bstan
I think you have things a little confused.DD 2.0 on the DVD software is NOT a requirement.
Most (if not All) DVD players will automatically downconvert DD 5.1, DD 5.0, DD 4.0, and DD 2.0 to a 2 channel L&R stereo format for use with your TV or stereo system.
Again this does not require the studios to provide a DD 2.0 soundtrack on the DVD, you get it automatically every time from the DVD players L&R analog outputs.
bstan
it may be a requirement unless of course you want to use the often crummy DVD Dacs to do this down-conversion. Some two channel DAC's like you would find in a hi end stereo system won't decode the 5.1 channel bitsteam but will pass 2.0 quite well.
You are correct, but you must select PCM instead of bitstream for the DVD player output, then a standard 2-channel DAC will decode the signal on the digital cable.In order to decode DD 2.0 you need to be in bitstream mode and then you need a standard 5.1 DD decoder in your processor or receiver to decode the DD bitstream signal coming from the DVD player.
bstan
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I failed to mention that in order to use PCM output on the DVD player, the DVD software being played needs to have a PCM option.bstan
Most DVD players have menu settings for the speaker arrangement, so you can play a 5.1 via two channels and have it sound good. Also my DVD player has a menu selection to "enhance" the center dialog even if no center speaker is used. I use that when listening to an action movie late at night... Then I can hear what they are saying and not have the explosions, car wrecks, gun battles etc annoy my neighbors.
Does your DVD player have DD and DTS decoding?For those DVD players that don't, you can still quickly hook it up and use it in a stereo system.
bstan
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