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In Reply to: BWAHAHAHAHA, BWAHAHAHAHA, BWAHAHAHAHA, BWAHAHAHAHA, BWAHAHAHAHA, BWAHAHAHAHA, posted by Mart on February 23, 2000 at 15:36:10:
hi Mart,
1) for someone who rants about rights; this is an odd one. Tell me, free country or not? If it's free, a Commie should be free, to express his opinion, or make a movie. Sounds to me like you are trying to have it both ways- free for you, not free for the other guy
2) No, Nixon was not a liberal; he was a politician. That comment about a
"single FBI file" was amusing. The use of the military as a political weapon is simply not communist, nor is it fascist, and it certainly is not
democratic. It is a classic exercise of power that derives from Machiavelli, if it must have intellectual origin.
3) perhaps, perhaps not, the last time i looked there was not enough evidence to make it worthy of discussion. If you can refer me to a book, or
historical journal, that has unearthed something new, i would be interested. Otherwise, you are conflating speculation and fact. Or is a wanton disregard for the truth ok when you do it?
4) four brings together too many issues to deal with. But...
a) a recovery happens where it happens, there are places ( Maine being one of them ) where you really won't see a lot of improvement. For countries, states, or individuals, the best long term investment for economic growth is an investment in education. Unlike most economic ideas, this has been demonstrated time, and time again.
b) no president i know of has been more than tangentially successful in influencing the economy in a postive manner. The teamwork between Greenspan, and Clinton (initiated by Greenspan) came at an opportune moment in history. This is not denigrate it's success, but to add perspective. By most measurements,btw, the economy is pretty good.
c) hate- Clinton has been under attack from the right, especially the far right; by means both fair and foul - from Day One. You know that. Of course he retaliated, get a grip. Say two words aloud for me: 'Newt Gingrich'. Do the words have a certain resonance? I find that Gingrich, and Clinton, are morally identical; which does not say much for either. To be plain, your anger ( as was mine ) is misdirected. Much of what bothers you is not Democratic, sorry. A politican (say, oh i don't know, Nixon) is a politician (Clinton) is a politician (Ginrich), get the point?
d) "mutually exclusive" -yes, that's what Nixon did as well. Clever politics, but it usually results in bad policy
e) "Bush recovery"??? as i said, presidents do not have that kind of power. There are a number of forces behind this period of economic growth; but politics has almost nothing to do with it.
f) "positive culture" what i was trying to get at was that we have never had a 'positive culture'. Corruption, dirty politics, war, slavery,
the use of the military against civilians, these are the things our history
is made of. And those things i have mentioned do not even scratch the surface, there is much, much, more.
You know, my liberal friends say i'm conservative; and my conservative friends say i'm a liberal. Oh well. Would like to leave you with one thought, your anger will betray you. Best wishes
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Follow Ups
- splinters, and logs - late 20:09:07 02/23/00 (3)
- you just keep getting funnier - Mart 23:18:59 02/23/00 (2)
- the end of the beginning - late 06:01:39 02/24/00 (1)
- no shot, just a clearifier - Mart 15:53:12 02/24/00 (0)
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