Re: You let critics suggest?

Posted by jamesgarvin (A) on September 19, 2004 at 14:24:53

In Reply to: You let critics suggest? posted by grhughes on September 17, 2004 at 20:42:10:

You complain about critics, then go off on a tirade against Hollywood. Critics are parasites? That is a conclusion devoid of any analysis. How are they parasites? Specifically, which critics are parasites? Are ALL critics parasites? Or only those with whom you disagree (which seem to be numerous)? And who says that they have gotten so many films wrong? You? Specifically, which films did they get wrong?

No serious films? Have you seen "The Fast Runner", filmed entirely in the Artic, entirely with native peoples? Have you seen "Rabbit Proof Fence" about three grade school age girls victims of the Australian program of taking aborigines from their families to train them to be domestics which continued until 1967, who trekked more than 1000 miles across Australia to be back with their family (and the actual persons shown at the end of the film)? Have you seen the documentary "Hoop Dreams" about the lives of inner city children who are gifted in basketball, and the coaches who coach them, and the recruiters who recruit them? You admit that you have stopped watching films, then proceed to disparage films that you admit you do not see.

I never saw Stanley Kubrick as a victim. I suspect that he did not see himself that way. He made the movies that he wanted to make, the way he wanted to make them, and most critics actually have praised his work. And the fact is that today's film scene is much more generous to independent film makers than Hollywood was in it's glory day because there are many more outlets for film makers to get films made. So I fail to see your point that critics are parasites because they failed to support Kubrick. And directors who are difficult to work with may have difficulty finding work for a variety of reasons. Such as actors refusing to work with them. Other crew members refusing to work with them. Again, if a director is a problem, and Hollywood refuses to hire them, I fail to see how that is it the fault of critics.

Your statement that critics blasted Kubrick is simply incorrect. From Rottentomates, the only site that I am aware which groups critics opinions: Eyes Wide Shut (80%), Full Metal Jacket (97%), The Shining (93%), Barry Lyndon (95%), Clockwork Orange (100%), 2001 (94%), Dr. Strangelove (100%), Lolita (100%), Spartacus (95%), Path of Glory (89%), The Killing (92%), Killer's Kiss (80%). So, specifically who were the mass of critics who were unkind to Kubrick?

You are also incorrect with respect to David Lean: A Passage to India (80%), Dr. Zhivago (94%), Lawrence of of Arabia (97%), Bridge on the River Kwai (100%), Oliver Twist (100%), Brief Encounter (100%), Great Expectations (100%).

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Topic - "Today's movies are not built to last." - clarkjohnsen 09:56:51 09/16/04 (29)

'Jaws' Will Forever Generate Gut Fear Excitement. Us... - AudioHead 06:27:37 09/17/04 (2)

You can't top fear of being eaten alive! Base, evolutionary adrenoline. n - albee33 06:55:41 09/17/04 (1)

Sure helps Open Water work! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:35:50 09/18/04 (0)

You got that RIGHT! - grhughes 06:22:12 09/17/04 (14)

Re: You got that RIGHT! - jamesgarvin 10:00:15 09/17/04 (13)

It's a matter of TASTE! - grhughes 12:10:57 09/17/04 (4)

Re: It's a matter of TASTE! - jamesgarvin 17:39:39 09/17/04 (3)

You let critics suggest? - grhughes 20:42:10 09/17/04 (2)

Re: You let critics suggest? - jamesgarvin 14:24:53 09/19/04 (1)

I'm not in a TYRADE? But you certainly are! - grhughes 08:42:42 09/20/04 (0)

Re: I have long felt - rico 11:23:38 09/17/04 (7)

Rico - you are a lot more generous than most!! (ie 10 films) NT - PdL 20:08:51 09/17/04 (0)

Re: I have long felt - jamesgarvin 11:59:53 09/17/04 (5)

Man I gotta disagree with a lot of your choices. - clarkjohnsen 08:35:01 09/18/04 (4)

I thought Gosford Park was terrific & I did not have any probs with the audio.... - PdL 15:23:58 09/19/04 (1)

Must have been the print I saw... actually, several prints because... - clarkjohnsen 07:10:21 09/20/04 (0)

Re: Man I gotta disagree with a lot of your choices. - jamesgarvin 14:45:02 09/19/04 (1)

Re: Man I gotta disagree with a lot of your choices. - clarkjohnsen 07:42:49 09/20/04 (0)

Nor was "Casablanca" - Auricle 15:57:25 09/16/04 (5)

With Casablanca they made great art *despite themselves*! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:29:52 09/18/04 (4)

Yes..... - AudioHead 13:47:55 09/18/04 (2)

Bergman/Bogart/Rains: - tinear 09:33:55 09/19/04 (1)

Re: Bergman/Bogart/Rains: - AudioHead 12:42:26 09/19/04 (0)

My point, exactly. One never knows! -nt- - Auricle 10:02:10 09/18/04 (0)

Re: "Today's movies are not built to last." - jamesgarvin 13:42:17 09/16/04 (4)

"Garbage films." Hmmm... - clarkjohnsen 08:28:31 09/18/04 (3)

Re: "Garbage films." Hmmm... - AudioHead 14:14:55 09/18/04 (2)

Re: "Garbage films." Hmmm... - jamesgarvin 15:08:32 09/19/04 (0)

Uh... Sure... What you said... nt - clarkjohnsen 11:07:42 09/19/04 (0)

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Re: You let critics suggest? - jamesgarvin 14:24:53 09/19/04 (1)

I'm not in a TYRADE? But you certainly are! - grhughes 08:42:42 09/20/04 (0)

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