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In Reply to: Give me a break, Goethe. posted by jusbe on June 1, 2005 at 16:59:28:
Jusbe,
Quote:[ "If this film was released under any other title other than Star Wars, people would be lambasting within an inch of its miserable life."I thought people were doing this anyway?]
Actually, no. What I'm hearing most often is, " Wow, it's better than the first two! (Therefore) It's great!" Only the thinnest skinned SW fan would think it is being 'lambasted'. Besides, what kind of defense is, " It's not as bad as the first two!"
Quote:["I hope everyone who liked this film will recall the latitude they give George for his amateurish writing, and be equally magnanimous to
other films equally handicapped."No reason not to expect that. But then few of us who have the forebearance to embrace a pop culture that includes Star Wars spend much
time potificating on what's "crap" and what's not.]Sorry, but you must have mistaken me for some of the other inmates, most notably those with initials starting with 'V' and ending with 'K', and his soul mate in France (or is that Germany? German in France, or Frenchie in Germany, I cannot remember). I actually happen to like a lot of pretty bad 'B' movies and other pop culture props. But even those bits of fluff have standards. What's more, (many of)the people liking SW are calling it 'great filmmaking', and not going through the usual PoMo exercises at rehabilitation via relabelling things as 'kitsch' or 'camp'. Listen, even by 'objective' standards (and by this I do not mean some lofty pronouncement from on high, but just pretty basic stuff that anyone who enjoys movies..and I didn't call it 'film'...can agree on), the new SW films are embarrassingly bad.
I mean c'mon....by common acceptance, dialogue is 'bad', acting is 'wooden', storytelling is 'clumsy', plot is 'simple'(and I'm being generous here). I'm sorry, but what the hell else is left in a film? The score? SFX? Vision? What vision? For the first one, m-a-y-b-e..but oops, Corndog's already called it a Joseph Campbell rip ( how about some poetry about that, Corndog?)! All the newer films are not so much Lucas's 'vision', as it is those of the people he paid to do his designs, costumes and the like. Okay, so some will say, "Yeah, but he had to pick up the grease pencil to 'OK' them..what, that's not an active imagination at work?!? " Look, even if we give it that, one must surely wonder..billions of dollars and _that's_ the best he could come up with??? Watch practically any modern mecha anime and you'll see 'better' ( and by this I mean well thought out etc etc) designs.
Quote:[My earlier comments were a barely disguised call for balance. Its easy to rip SW to
shreds - what's interesting about that? I'd like to hear your take on its enduring appeal. On second thoughts, maybe not.]Don't get a contusion raising your lightsabre too quickly.
Quote: [I don't go to a burger bar and expect Michelin Star fare. Do you?]
No, but at the very least, I expect a good, well-made burger.
Quote:[And, as many will attest, sometimes only a burger will do, unless you're herbivorous. Describing anything as "crap" reveals you as a
poor critic. Star Wars is a genre all to itself, aside from any canon of sci-fi one could enumerate and certainly outside the confines of good
cinematic taste (bonkers plot, a glut of CGI, poor direction). Its still often highly enjoyable, if you're able to leave your Crit. Lit. hat at the
box office.]Yes, your 'Crit. Lit. hat' surely, but the rest of your brain too?? 'Crap' is only useful in forums like these when one doesn't have the time to really fully explain a response. Anonymity and lack of ability to gauge tone of voice etc is a hinderance in this case. If we were friends ( and in close geographic proximity), we could sit down and actually unpack individual experiences and understand why we have arrived at very different conclusions about this piece of shi--oops, there I go again!
People like it because they like it. that's fine, Just don't bother with the extra exercise of rationalizing that like in the hope of creating some hasty bulwark against whatever bit of cognitive dissonance that may arise from genuinely liking crap.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Give me a break, Goethe. - PCL 08:56:40 06/02/05 (2)
- D'you know what? - jusbe 13:34:55 06/02/05 (1)
- Re: D'you know what? - PCL 10:56:01 06/05/05 (0)
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