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You may choose to believe "the authorities" but when you range a bit wider... well...

Posted by clarkjohnsen (R) on May 22, 2006 at 09:26:00

In Reply to: Re: Right. People don't lie, and they never cry when they do. posted by Wendell Narrod on May 21, 2006 at 13:51:39:

I just happen to be reading a book about Lockerbie, including a description of damage on the ground -- and bear in mind that #108 busted up in the air. "One of the plane's wings hit the ground in the southern area of Lockerbie. It hit the ground with such impact that it created a crater 155 feet long, displacing approximately 1500 tons of dirt." That was *one wing*. Compare that to the the crater made by what's claimed to be a whole plane in Pennsylvania and maybe you'll see the predicament you face.

As for witnesses, you have your man but the media (at the time) had others; granted, the official story is different, but if you can sweep these reports under the rug you're a more accepting man that I am:

"Also, residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene."

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

"John Fleegle, an Indian Lake Marina employee, said FBI agents were skeptical of his reports about debris in the lake until they traveled to the lake shore Wednesday afternoon.

"By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks. He said FBI agents who spent the afternoon patrolling the lake in rented boats eventually carted away a large garbage bag full of debris.

"Fleegle, marina owner Jim Brant and two of Brant's employees were among the dozens who witnessed the crash from Indian Lake. Fleegle had just returned to the marina to get fuel for a boat that had run out of gas when Carol Delasko called him into the drydock barn to watch news of the World Trade Center attack.

"'All of a sudden the lights flickered and we joked that maybe they were coming for us. Then we heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom'" said Fleegle, pointing to a clearing on a ridge at the far end of the lake.

"Delasko, who ran outside moments later, said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. "It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake," she said.

http://library.triblive.com - search Delasko from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01)

"Witnesses say they heard the plane fly over, felt their building AT THE DOCK shake. The debris evidence also supports the plane flying over Indian Lake AND that plane was falling apart. This debris would have taken 15-20 minutes to float at 10mph and then descend on Indian Lake from the main crash crater. The testimony and evidence do not support the NTSB story that the debris floated from the main crash site.

"In a morning briefing, state Police Major Lyle Szupinka confirmed that debris from the plane had turned up in relatively far-flung sites, including the residential area of Indian Lake. Investigators appealed to any residents who had come across such debris, in the surrounding countryside or even in their yards, to contact them, emphasizing that even the smallest remnants could prove to be important clues."

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

"Szupinka said searchers found one of the large engines from the aircraft 'at a considerable distance from the crash site. It appears to be the whole engine,' he added.

"Szupinka said most of the remaining debris, scattered over a perimeter that stretches for several miles, are in pieces no bigger than a 'briefcase.'"

http://library.triblive.com - search whole engine from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01

All the above plays far more consistent with a blow received in flight, than with the government's (and the movie's, therefore) crash scenario.

clark

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