Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...)

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***As stated before, you have the right to like or dislike any movie, however I am willing to bet that you have no true idea of what it was like to be in combat or more importantly on the beach that day.

I certainly have not participated in any action, if that is what you are saying. At the same time, there is such thing as education and many of do know about ancient Grece without actually having been being there. Yes, you listen to all who were there, you read, you watch *good* movies and you form your opinion.

Also, I would be the last one to ridicule or even imply any disrespect for the great things that our father did for all of us - either from the Western part or the Russian. I don't think we should even bring this into discussion. We are not talking about sacrifices, we are not talking about history, we are talking about one lousy movie. Let's discuss the movie.

***I know two men that were there.

Many of us do. For instance, both of my parents were in the Army defending Leningrad during its 900 day siege where 1 million died. My father-in-law went through the German concentration camp, escaped, joined the Partisans and then the Red Army, finishing the war wounded in Berlin. Yes, I too have some points of reference and I DO take them *very* seriously.

***Neither one of them ever, and I mean ever talks about it. From what I have read the battle scenes are very realistic. Do you find the personal and group heroism in this movie unbelievable?

??? Please see above. No, not me.

***Do you find yourself thinking that you would never risk yourself for anyone or anything as the charactors in the movie did?

??? That has nothing to do with discussion of movie. Movie is art form (or is supposed to be). We were discussing the particular artwork, not what it stands for. The subject and means of art are often intertwined, but they are never the same. Many people confuse the two, though.

***If you do, you are not alone.

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***The reason this movie was made was to show younger generations just what those brave men did, individually and collectively. All of us need to understand the sacrifices made on our behalf, and the price we must pay if/when our leaders choose to go to war. I sincerely doubt that we as a nation could ever accomplish such a task again. I am not comforted by this thought

When talking about educating the young, we must stay away from cheap Hollywood presentation that does more harm than good to anyone.

When I watch the Rambo or the Commando movies I see the hero killing ten enemies with a single bullet with bodies fly ten feet in the air. I know it is fake and unreal and at the same time I hear the teenagers laugh and cheer. It is sort of OK, it is garbage any way you look at it.

Now, I see almost the same stuff in that "serious, educational, real" Private Ryan. I see ten Germans killed with the same bullet, their bodies fly ten feet in the air. I see the barrage of German bullets not hitting any GI's at close range (where did they learn to shoot like that, those lousy German soldierss with their MP-40's not able to hit a man from 20 feet?). I see the US sniper hitting a 1" target from 450 meters - a bullshit better reserved for the Sniper flick, it is so laughable. I see poor actor Tom destroy three Germans armed with MP-40's and not getting a scratch. Yep, all that stuff is so real that I feel ashamed.

Yes, I too hope that that movie does at least some good to the young. Will it? I don't know. But it will most certainly not go down into the annals as a *good* movie. Rest assured that twenty years from now people will be talking about Fellini and Bergman, but not Spielberg. He is just one mandane artisan of rather opportunistic nature. Yes, and the close friend of our beloved Mr. Clinton.

Victor.

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Topic - Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 15:13:11 07/07/99 (32)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - DaveH 10:53:15 07/12/99 (7)

I am comforted by that thought. - petew 18:35:37 07/16/99 (3)

Which "war" are we discussing? - DaveH 15:49:31 07/18/99 (2)

Yes, indeed... - Victor Khomenko 05:46:02 07/19/99 (1)

I thought that was "Wag the Dog" (nt) - DaveH 16:05:10 07/19/99 (0)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 07:14:59 07/13/99 (2)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - DaveH 21:31:13 07/13/99 (1)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 05:05:15 07/14/99 (0)

Re: Private Ryan: some of it was very realistic - Estes 08:30:18 07/11/99 (15)

Re: Private Ryan: some of it was very realistic - Victor Khomenko 13:36:02 07/12/99 (13)

Re: Private Ryan: some of it was very realistic - Estes 17:18:19 07/12/99 (0)

Art vs. Product - TAFKA Steve 15:03:11 07/12/99 (11)

Re: Art vs. Product - Victor Khomenko 15:37:29 07/12/99 (10)

Trainspotting - petew 18:55:57 07/16/99 (0)

Glenn Gould - NO, Bitter Harvest - YES. - Victor Khomenko 07:20:26 07/13/99 (8)

Re: Glenn Gould - NO, Bitter Harvest - YES. - Estes 21:05:40 07/13/99 (0)

Re: Glenn Gould - NO, Bitter Harvest - YES. - TAFKA Steve 16:33:09 07/13/99 (6)

The best movie not to take your mother-in-law to... - Victor Khomenko 20:00:26 07/13/99 (5)

that's it! That's the one I was thinking of! No, she wouldn't care for it either (nt) - petew 19:00:45 07/16/99 (0)

LOL! What a good son-in-law you are! - TAFKA Steve 15:38:59 07/14/99 (3)

Prequel? I like that. - Victor Khomenko 06:44:31 07/15/99 (2)

Irezumi? - TAFKA Steve 19:23:04 07/15/99 (1)

Re: Irezumi? - Victor Khomenko 05:21:26 07/16/99 (0)

Re: Private Ryan: some of it was very realistic - mtrycrafts 14:42:32 07/11/99 (0)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - MiKe 02:43:46 07/08/99 (2)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 06:40:48 07/08/99 (1)

thanks Victor, you saved me a few hours! - petew 15:28:22 07/09/99 (0)

the next disaster movie was ... - Mart 00:39:38 07/08/99 (4)

Haven't seen it either. Waiting for the book so I can burn it. - petew 15:37:05 07/09/99 (2)

[|:-{)___ burn the tape, it's cheaper (nt) - Mart 03:58:15 07/10/99 (0)

[|:-{)___ burn the tape, it's cheaper (nt) - Mart 03:58:04 07/10/99 (0)

Re: the next disaster movie was ...LOL - MiK 02:39:32 07/08/99 (0)

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Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 07:14:59 07/13/99 (2)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - DaveH 21:31:13 07/13/99 (1)

Re: Private Ryan: the sick joke. The new low for the US movie industry (yes, industry...) - Victor Khomenko 05:05:15 07/14/99 (0)

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