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In Reply to: After numerous (and onerous) provocations. Do you believe that WWII began (for the US) when... posted by clarkjohnsen on January 2, 2008 at 10:26:04:
I am not sure I would say "some Japs." After all, they were there not because they needed something to do that day, but because the Emperor ordered the attack. I would say that the U.S. involvement in WWII began when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, regardless of the reason that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.
Likewise, the South may have felt that the United States was moving towards abolishing slavery, against the wishes of the planter class in the South, by prohibiting future States entering into the Union from being slave holding states, but consider that the U.S. did not abolish slavery from the Southern states, nor did it, until after the war started, deem slaves that crossed into the North to be free. Prior to the start of the war, they were returned back to the South, and Southerners were allowed to physically retrieve their slaves from the North.
But the South fired the first shot, and, it seems to me, firing the first shot invites a response. Reminds me of Clint's quote in Unforgiven where he shoots the bar owner, and, in response to Hackman's line "You just shot an un-armed man", Clint replies "Well, he should have armed himself when he decided to decorate his bar with my friend."
Well, the South fired the first shot, in defense of the North's tyranny that slavery would not increase to newly admitted states. If the South simply accepts that this is democracy at work, accepts they are in the minority, and accepts the fact that slavery is a despicable institution, even though it turns a tidy little profit for a very small portion of the South's population, the civil war does not take place. It takes place because the South's response was to engage the North militarily.
If someone makes faces at me, do I physically strike them? No. If I do, is my defense that "they provoked me?" The North made some faces. The South needed to get over it. They gambled, and lost. And so did the Japanese.
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- RE: After numerous (and onerous) provocations. Do you believe that WWII began (for the US) when... - jamesgarvin 12:07:58 01/02/08 (1)
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