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In Reply to: Re: Is the upcoming "Pearl Harbor" really necessary? posted by Joe S on May 14, 2001 at 22:43:31:
given the arrogant and condescending tone of your response, but here goes.1. I apologized for the Iowa/Arizona screwup. A freudian slip or whatever. So, I'm a moron.
2. Apparently you have never been taught the difference between drama and documentary. As a primer, let me suggest any of the "history" plays of Shakespeare. The history is not so good; the drama is first-rate. Tora! Tora! Tora! is fine as a documentary, kind like the re-enactment of Civil War battles. But having seem the film many times, I recall it telling me practically nothing about what any of the participants are thinking or feeling. I see no need for another documentary; that's been done. But I think there's plenty of a room for a good drama about Pearl Harbor, even one that does not violate the historical record. Those were some of my suggested "angles."
3. So you think the very first, same-day, reaction of American military commanders in Hawaii to our having the shit kicked out of us at Pearl Harbor was a burst of racial hatred? Not to wonder if there was an invaision force coming, a second wave, a naval bombardment from battleships? If you've got evidence to back your claim up -- other than the current PC fixation on the admittedly wrong and unjustified US internment policy -- these guys really were were incompetent.
4. "If this is your take on this film and events it portrays I think you are missing the point completely. If you interpret this film as being a 14 year olds obsession with explosions I would instead suggest that your own lack of historical context for interpreting the story is the real issue when it comes to Tora Tora Tora."You should keep better track of your pronoun references ("this film"). I never said Tora! Tora! Tora! was about blowing things up; I said it was "bloodless" because it's just a re-enactment; it tells me nothing about the people involved. It appears that "Pearl Harbor" is about blowing things up. We both appear to be disappointed about that; although perhaps for different reasons. Maybe you want to see a re-enactment that features the latest in digital technology unavailable at the time of Tora!Tora!Tora! ? I want to see some real drama; I've seen the documentary.
5. "But if you really want to learn history you need to read about it - movies arent the palce to learn it and its apparent from your comments there is a lot about this topic you simply dont know."
Well thank you for that bit of advice. The last history book I read covering some part of the WW2 period was "In Harm's Way" about the sinking of the "Indianapolis." I finished it about 3 weeks ago. What's the last book you read on this subject, and when did you read it? Did I say I wanted to learn history from the movies? That's YOUR line. What I said was I expect drama from the movies; because that's what they are.
Do you have any idea what I'm talking about, or are you still clueless?
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- This might not be a good idea - Bruce from DC 15:50:46 05/15/01 (1)
- Sigh.... - Joe S 22:10:24 05/20/01 (0)
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