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In Reply to: Nope. The movie is a jape. posted by Dalton on July 21, 2010 at 12:23:59:
The cloning was the illusion that you want to believe. "You don't want to work it out. You want to be...fooled."
>> Nolan apparently tricked you, not me. You're looking for the logical answer that isn't there. <<
If you believe it's cloning you believe there is no trick. I'm afraid you're just satisfied to believe the illusion. You want to be fooled.
>> The entire film presents a magician's world in great detail. Every illusion and trick is thoroughly explained - except for the transported man trick. <<
Wrong again. The transported man trick was explained. It was first explained by Cutter who correctly observed that Borden must be using a double. He was right. But the double was a twin. When Angier tried to use a double, the double realized his interests were not with Angier and he publicly and physically damaged Angier. Angier then went on his wild goose chase with Tesla who tricked Angier with a cheap cats'n'hats routine and cleared out with Angier's money, leaving him a worthless device.
Admittedly obsessed with destroying Borden, what do you think Angiers would have done at that point? Given up? Of course not. He had the means, the motive and the murderous method to do the trick cutter's way but with blind stage hands who wouldn't see the murder victims. The idea that he was murdering clones is so stupid. If he truly had a cloning machine, which does not flow from the narrative, he and Tesla could have done far more incredible things with it than get revenge on Borden. Think about it. Use your brain for a fucking second.
>> We, the audience, are conditioned to expect a rational solution to every illogical happening in the film. Even as we realize Nolan is happily painting himself inextricably into a corner plotwise, we expect the big reveal at the end and can hardly wait for it! It doesn't come, other than by explanation that Tesla's device really works. <<
Wrong again. Everyone I've seen the film with was totally blown away to see Borden was twin brothers with his disguised engineer, Fallon, and that they would alternate the disguise so they each had half a life. It was a huge revelation at the end. If you're saying you had figured it out or saw it coming, you're a liar. And showing that twist at the end, coupled with Cutter's repeated lines about wanting to believe the illusion and showing the top hats while challenging the audience to work it out proves the film had a logical reason for everything.
It all depends how you interpret the hats. Clones? Give me a fucking break. If you believe those hats are clones, there is nothing to work out. You're just a lazy thinker, or a nonthinker.
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Follow Ups
- it's not cloning - Jazz Inmate 18:30:19 07/21/10 (2)
- You are wrong. BTW, how about saving the cursing and insults for a forum other than Films. - Tony D. 16:17:11 07/25/10 (1)
- Sorry. You lose NT - Jazz Inmate 14:51:03 07/26/10 (0)
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