RE: I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...//

Posted by RGA (R) on December 14, 2018 at 20:29:10

In Reply to: I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...// posted by MaxwellP on December 14, 2018 at 05:46:11:

The thing is though that in the west - we tend to get the cream of the crop from foreign countries - so the films that get a DVD release in the US and Canada are often the Cannes winners and nominees - we don't get the 500 films released in Poland in 2017 - we get the ten "good" ones if even that - the absolute horrific rubbish was sifted out FOR US.

Rinse and Repeat for every other country around the world - Bollywood I believe puts out more films than Hollywood - and yet how many of those films get any sort of press in the west - 5-6?

So people dump on Hollywood - yes because EVERY Hollywood film comes to our theaters and out of 20 of those movies - 1 might be considered good.

There is a difference though because films have different goals - just as music or any other form of the arts.

In the play/theater there are the 6 Aristotelian elements of the arts and much of Hollywood focuses on what Aristotle would view as the least important element - spectacle. So all these big loud marvel movies.

The mistake is dismissing them simply because "spectacle" is at the fore.

It's fine to like films that focus on character or theme etc.

And then there is subject matter - When comedy is judged against drama or horror - individuals place a hierarchy on the value that each genre possess. For years Drama was seen as more important than comedy - Shakespearea's Tragedies get more weight than his comedies. Romeo and Juliet often considered Shakespeare's worst play is the one that is taught mostly to students and usually the first play that is introduced.

Hollywood and Television through the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s was escapist entertainment - an escape from reality. Music was more thought provoking. That has been flipped - music is generally mindless background noise and television some movies are lot richer and deeper.

In the 1980s you had stuff like the Rockford Files now you have "enter your favorite Netflix/HBO" show - Broadchurch or Breaking Bad or whatever - None of that existed in the 80s.

And it's difficult to look back on even some classic films and see the acting quality in the 1950s and 1960s and the written dialog and not role my eyes - Casablanca or Citizen Kane or 8 1/2 - etc. The perspective you have at 75years old and 45 years old and 20 years old on these classics will very likely be different. It's tough to watch the stilted performances and some laughable dialog and in some cases unrelated to modern reality when watching any of these older films with a current eye.

Plays can be re-imagined and re-interpreted - film can't. No matter how great the film. And spectacle films that rely on spectacle have the least shelf life because the technology advances and the greatest special effects films of the 1940s look ridiculous now. So for those films to hold up - like Jaws - it doesn't hold up because of the stupid looking shark. In fact the fact that the shark didn't work - probably saved that film from obscurity. It still sells today and it still works today because of its dramatic elements.

I like all kinds of films and I like all kinds of music because I recognize what the intent of the genre is about. A horror movie is suppose to generate some tension and some scares - similar to why anyone gets on a roller coaster. Victor and people like him likely view amusements parks as a waste of space for the unwashed masses - dummies want to have some thrills in their life.

So it goes.

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Topic - Anyone seeing the Schindler's List HD release in theaters? - RGA 17:33:21 12/10/18 (37)

Not a good film, but a major, incredibly important work. - Victor Khomenko 11:59:03 12/11/18 (33)

I have felt for a very long time that . . . - Billy Wonka 12:30:21 12/12/18 (20)

What we really need is... - Victor Khomenko 13:22:13 12/12/18 (19)

RE: What we really need is - Wojciech 18:07:44 12/20/18 (3)

RE: What we really need is - Victor Khomenko 14:13:28 12/21/18 (1)

RE: What we really need is - Wojciech 18:59:25 12/21/18 (0)

RE: What we really need is - RGA 01:37:14 12/21/18 (0)

RE "good, detailed documentaries" - May I Suggest Lanzmann's 'Shoah', for one? (nt) - goldenthal 13:06:24 12/16/18 (6)

Thank you! - Victor Khomenko 13:31:05 12/16/18 (5)

RE Your Wife: Indeed, one needs fortitude and intent to watch it . . . - goldenthal 13:49:53 12/16/18 (4)

Started watching "Einsatzgruppen: The Nazi Death Squads" on Netflix - Victor Khomenko 06:35:50 12/19/18 (0)

566 minutes - it's pretty epic - Chris from Lafayette 17:57:21 12/16/18 (1)

Netflix has it - Victor Khomenko 06:17:48 12/17/18 (0)

She already knows way too much about that history - Victor Khomenko 14:22:33 12/16/18 (0)

RE: What we really need is... - RGA 01:01:33 12/14/18 (7)

Shakespeare, Dickens, Dostoevsky, Miller would all be called - Eldragon 17:39:50 12/15/18 (1)

LOL! Really... - mkuller 20:32:45 12/16/18 (0)

RE: What we really need is... - Chris from Lafayette 11:26:32 12/14/18 (4)

RE: What we really need is... - RGA 21:45:26 12/14/18 (2)

Not to draw this out unnecessarily. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:19:03 12/15/18 (1)

RE: Not to draw this out unnecessarily. . . - RGA 08:12:19 12/17/18 (0)

Subtlety is not Spielberg's strong suit - Victor Khomenko 12:23:18 12/14/18 (0)

La Raffle? - RGA 02:19:12 12/12/18 (1)

No... not La Raffffffffffffffffffffffffffffle. - Victor Khomenko 05:06:27 12/12/18 (0)

RE: Not a good film, but a major, incredibly important work. - RGA 01:38:43 12/12/18 (9)

RE: Not a good film, but a major, incredibly important work. - Victor Khomenko 05:04:25 12/12/18 (8)

RE: Not a good film, but a major, incredibly important work. - RGA 23:49:50 12/13/18 (7)

I was actually very surprised how easy it was... - Victor Khomenko 06:58:26 12/14/18 (2)

RE: I was actually very surprised how easy it was... - RGA 21:21:37 12/14/18 (1)

You forgot Judas Priests' Sin After Sin.nt. - jamesgarvin 21:54:55 12/15/18 (0)

I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...// - MaxwellP 05:46:11 12/14/18 (3)

RE: I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...// - RGA 20:29:10 12/14/18 (1)

RE: I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...// - MaxwellP 05:15:24 12/16/18 (0)

RE: I don't want to be a part of this argument, but...// - Victor Khomenko 08:00:07 12/14/18 (0)

A kid who works for me... - mkuller 20:40:28 12/10/18 (2)

Thx for posting that; I enjoyed it. I bought the 20th-anniversary... - jeffreybehr 10:56:47 12/12/18 (0)

RE: A kid who works for me... - RGA 01:34:05 12/11/18 (0)

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